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Midlife crisis: My husband is gay

She had always considered her husband her best friend. Turns out, she hadn't known him at all

Updated:
2010-03-24 16:12
Published:
2009-03-07 12:31
By:
Gerty Shipmaker
gay husband

Before and after

My husband of 19 years sat across from me in our bedroom, holding both my hands in his. The kids were in bed; he had put on soft music and poured us a glass of wine. Things were looking good — I was getting my hopes up. Instinctively I knew we were in that place that would be forever known as “before” and “after.” For two years now, our marriage had been unravelling, and it looked like tonight was going to be the night when I would find out what demons we were dealing with and we could start the process of healing.

“You’re going to have to be strong,” he began, and I eagerly hung on his words, knowing I would be anything he needed me to be to get our relationship back on track and our marriage back to what it used to be.

He was my best friend. John and I had begun dating almost 21 years earlier and after that first evening together, I knew I was going to marry him. Our courtship consisted of hours together talking, going for walks, and planning our future together.

We married in May 1981 and shared almost all of our non-working moments together. We rarely missed having breakfast together at the beginning of each day, and never went to bed without the other at the end of it.

The perfect family

By our 10th anniversary, we’d added four more people to the world — three daughters and a son. Our lives expanded to revolve around us being a family. Every Sunday we went to church; in the summers we went camping, winters we skied and tobogganed. We created family traditions such as breakfast in bed for birthdays, Mother’s and Father’s Day. Every Valentine’s Day John would send each of the kids a carnation and me a rose; at the end of the day he and I would make the dining room into some ethnic restaurant and would serve our children and their special friends. I was always the crazy cook and he the bantering waiter.

John was an attentive husband and a good father. He never shied away from bathing the kids, reading them bedtime stories, or doing homework or dishes with them. For our 15th anniversary, he stole me away for a long weekend on the ocean, back to where we’d had our honeymoon. It was one of the most romantic times of our marriage.

In January 1999, I began noticing changes in John. At first he just wanted to spend more time alone than usual. Then he began pulling away from me, not wanting to talk, becoming rather despondent. Shortly after that, he went on a business trip for five days and when he came home, he was completely uninterested in me sexually. Two weeks went by and I began to worry. I found a marriage support website and emailed for help, describing the change in my husband.

It became obvious to me what the problem was: John had turned 40 the year before, and was now simply going through a midlife crisis. I was so excited that I could put a label on him. Now I knew what needed to be fixed.

Ever try to fix a man? Just for the record, most of them are “as is” models, and if by some fluke they are of the changeable kind, trust me, it cannot be done through crying, pleading, nagging or cajoling.

I know that now.   

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Before and after
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The awful truth
Page 3:
Recovery

Comments

  • Francesca's avatar Francesca wrote:

    2009-03-10 2:51 PM

    Like Gerty Shipmaker, I, too, was married to a gay man for 37 years. But he never did work up the courage to confide and release me; instead, I confronted him, and asked for a separation. He then feigned hurt and betrayal; nevertheless, I felt that I deserved a satisfying life, and I knew he would try to remain in the marriage forever, hiding behind it, and if I continued to allow it, he would destroy me. Like Gerty, "I wouldn't wish my journey on anyone....It has made me into a stronger, more capable woman".
  • BeautifulWoman's avatar BeautifulWoman wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:26 AM

    When I read in the article some of your words about how you felt and when I read Francesca's comment about "not wishing her journey on anyone" I KNOW EXACTLY what you have went through. I know EXACTLY about when the man is distant, passive agressive, in denial, unattentive, and NOT INTERESTED PHYSICALLY AT ALL in his woman. For me it was even worse because he kept convincing himself and the rest of the world he is Bi. He falls in love with men but with women he has relationships because he "ought to" for his conservative and religious family. Sadly, we now have a child together and I raise our child alone while he "has fun" and is taking time to figure out his life. Being with a gay man KILLED my self-esteem and self respect and my sense of Self. Luckily, we are no longer "together"(I never felt like we ever were together) and my old Self is after a long battle with pain and self reflection and self therapy, the old Me...is coming back to life. I can honestly say to any woman who has interest in a guy who is Bi or Gay and "dreams" that she can "change him"...I say to her: RUN. Run for your life and have NOTHING to do with a man like that other then being friends/acquaintances. [Editor's note: Part of this comment has been removed]
  • Brandylee34's avatar Brandylee34 wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:30 AM

    Like these other women I too was married for 19 years to a gay man. I married him knowing that I loved him and when he told me that he was gay that was the beginning of the end. He decided to tell me in the pitch blackness of our bedroom laying in bed telling me he had known all along that he was gay. But being socially unacceptable in 1984 he decided he should get married and be a norman guy. Nothing was mormal about it.
  • dryvag's avatar dryvag wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:55 AM

    This is a really sad story but you have prevailed in the end. Surely, your husbands life hadn't been easy either having to conform to 'societal norms' and deny himself. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in. It is unfortunate that your friendship has deteriorated, of course you got hurt but continuing to be an ally to him & other gay people would help in 'not wishing this on anyone'. I wish you the best.
  • dryvag's avatar dryvag wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:55 AM

    This is a really sad story but you have prevailed in the end. Surely, your husbands life hadn't been easy either having to conform to 'societal norms' and deny himself. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in. It is unfortunate that your friendship has deteriorated, of course you got hurt but continuing to be an ally to him & other gay people would help in 'not wishing this on anyone'. I wish you the best.
  • theonenonlyLei's avatar theonenonlyLei wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:34 AM

    I too went through the same thing as u all. But I had an idea, when i first met my husband, that he was gay. It did not stop me from falling in love with him. We had 20 great years together, until I decided it was time for me to move on. You can say that I got the 7 year itch, at 20 years. So i made him acknowledge who he was. He did not want to, because society says its wrong. (which is a sad thing) I knew he had a tough road ahead of him for the rest of his life. So i told him I'd always be there for him, no matter what. It was difficult that first year, but mainly due to the fact that we didn't tell anyone, not even our children, that we were separated. My father was dying of cancer and I did not want him to worry. So I asked my husband if we could still live as a couple and not tell anyone until after my father had passed away. He said yes, and that truly showed me what a great person he was to do this for me,and for my dad. We are the best of friends now and will always be. We have 3 beautiful children (only 1 is his biological child) we raised together and still enjoy Christmas(gatherings) as a family. I would not change a thing in my life. He was the best thing that ever happened to me.
  • sapenticost's avatar sapenticost wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:36 AM

    I to find this ending of a relationship a sad story. Life sometimes just sucks! I am a gay man and feel that, both of you have been hurt. The wife in her loosing her husband. Her word the mourning and death of a relationship and, her husbands in his struggle. To realize that the path, of wanting to be straight and, so called "Normal" really left him without a place to be happy. I've seen mixed marrigages work before. At least as friends. It's too bad that we lose sight that, we as individuals grow and, grow together and, apart. He didn't become gay to intentionally hurt you. You have to know that! That would mean you thought he made a choice. Wrong!!! Be honest with that fact. He just realize that, the lie would hurt you more than the truth. Be well... You seem like an amazing woman now. Lessons learned sometimes are not always easy but, in the end make us stronger!
  • Rob30's avatar Rob30 wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:49 AM

    As everyone here has had there experiance with gay men. I know you don't hear this often but I have had the same experiance with my wife. But istead of the guy being gay, but the woman was. As I know before I met her she had a relationship with a woman. Me being the guy who would believe anything she says she stated it was a phase and she wasn't bi. So we had a good relationship, but 2 years into the relationship I felt distant from her, but thought it was the stress she was going through. 4 years in the relaitonship we got married, and 6 months later she told me this a year later, that she wanted out. She thought she wanted to get married, and be with me for the rest for her life, but she could not live on with the lie, as she was gay. So now she is moved on enjoying her life as I am trying to put my life together and get over the embaresment that she was gay. I thought we could be freinds but she wants nothing to do with her past, and has moved on. So yes us guys are in the same boat but do not talk about it. Just thought you should know you are not alone.
  • Jaded's avatar Jaded wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:01 AM

    I am married to a man I am sure is gay . I would love for him to be honest with himself and come forward. Our relationship is platonic at best and I am doing my best to be here for him . It isnt an easy road for any woman or for any man who finally realizes he hasnt been honest with his family or himself. We have been together for more than 7 years and I am fighting with him and for him. He will never admit to his highly religous family he is gay by his own words and he often tells me " Well maybe I am not gay , maybe it is just a phase." How do you explain to a man phases dont last six years ? The only thing I can say to him and all of you is always be true to yourself. Life comes with pain , You both are going to hurt and confusion is not as rare as we would like in life. Work on you and let him or her work on themselves and maybe you can come away friends.
  • Pitchertaker's avatar Pitchertaker wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:16 AM

    I was married to a man who lied to me for our entire 19 year marriage as well. I get upset when I hear people like dryvag say that my husbands life wasn't easy...what about what he put me and our children through? I am on good terms with my ex-husband, but people who haven't lived that life should not judge people who have. You truly do not have any idea what it is like to have your entire life as you knew it ripped out from under you. He gets to have his wonderful new life that he denied himself of for so many years. Great. Have fun while I pick up the pieces you left behind. The feeling of betrayal is horrible. Being lied to for so many years really doesn't sit well within my psyche. As far as him denying himself...what about what he has denied me? Give your head a shake and please don't be condesending, it makes it even harder to 'prevail in the end'.
  • Embersidhe's avatar Embersidhe wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:24 AM

    I too was married some 12 years ago now to a man I believed was gay. I tried everything in my power to make him realise it, but he thought he was stronger than I. I am glad you have stayed strong, have your many friends and still have your wonderful kids and some communication with John. Good luck to you and your family Ember
  • Enraged's avatar Enraged wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:29 AM

    I have recently found out the piece of scum I have been living with for 19 years has had had gay relationships since before we met. He is now comparison shopping looking for his next relationship. He knows that we are at an end. He has stolen 19 years of my life, he has stolen my children and family that I would have had with another man if he had been honest at the start and not least of all he has stolen my wages that I have supported him with. Hell yes, I am angry. Anyone who thinks that they deserve some sympathy for their lies is delusional.
  • Mizz Xplicit's avatar Mizz Xplicit wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:05 AM

    OMG..this is terrible. I can't imagine spending so many years with someone who can't even be honest to himself..let alone anyone else. Who gives anyone the right to play with someone else's life like that? Same sex relationships are still not considered normal or accepted widely in our society today..but people choose to live like that right? Afterall, it's your life..spend it what ever way you want. BUT don't ruin someone else's life along with your own. Committing yourself to a marriage like that..a man like that..a life like that..and getting this in the end..is RIDICULOUS! He should be punished..he can't be let go just like that. I am sorry but this does not sit well with me..not at all. What a lying coward! Sorry if i have offended anyone..i feel strongly against it. Peace out!
  • david's avatar david wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:42 AM

    this was a sad story, but all too true, -in many aspects of reality. your husband really did love you otherwise he would not have cared for so long. we enter adulthood from our youth but as we get our sealegs we become more confident with whom we are. i know a lady well who is a lesbian and she loves her children and husband dearly. he knows, he is a doctor and if he weren't he still would know because he is very sharp. however they are friends and they still are intimate (and married). sometimes we have to be frank. you have green eyes, i have brown eyes. we marry because we love, not because of a list of will bees. most persons are so poorly developed intellectually\emotionally that they never question reality. i was raised in a christian home that was old fashioned to boot. after much old and new testament searching the only thing i could tell (i am gay) myself was to love someone from the bottom of the heart. i will stand on this forever. people must look within. religion is as simple or as difficult as one wishes. but the greatest of these is love said Jesus. as for the "couple" in this story they need to mend that fence and he needs to sleep in the same bed with his wife to get her through the night occasionally if she needs it. that is a small thing for him to do, and if his partner loves him he will gladly give that. david in canada x
  • Smartheart's avatar Smartheart wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:42 AM

    How does a woman heal after such betrayal? Being cheated on is bad enough, but with the opposite sex? How does a woman heal her sense of attractiveness, femininity?
  • worldwin's avatar worldwin wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:48 AM

    Men hid in these relationships because of bigotry in society....men that are bi are not accept in society or small minded places or cities Open relationships in society are not acceptable bisexual man are ridiculed and shamed into difficult situations if society which you ladies are a part of was not so full of bigotry people would find who the should be with Men who can be physical with both genders and have sons and daughters from sexual relations with women are BISEXUAL
  • force's avatar force wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:06 AM

    I too, have lived this tradgedy. I believe these men lack in character, struggle with self identity and admire other men,they want to be. My man, seemed to have 'borderline personality' concidered himself an expanded open minded person all the while putting so many others health in jeapordy. I am an extremely sexual person,was there for him, sexually, on a whim. I beat myself up, unhappy but could not put a finger on 'why'.I could never be beautiful enough,to myself and struggled with 30 pounds because of it. It affected my true being, my personality and I ripped myself off. I did detective work and discovered his perverse fetishes, which many gay men seem to migrate. It is scarey to know how far they will go, some are borderline pediphile and should be stopped as they go into a very weak and fantasy state of mind. Remember these wise words, "We all have a right to our health". Good luck and settle for nothing but the best.
  • force's avatar force wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:14 AM

    I need to add, I loved him so deeply,I am openminded and wanted him to be happy. I was prepared to accept another into our relationship, as long as he chose an ongoing safe partner. After he came clean, and time went on, it was evident his pathalogical liar side would not accept me in the large sceme of things. I suppose it would of cramped his style.
  • Bullet's avatar Bullet wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:39 AM

    To Force - your comment is probably why so many gay men marry!! Because you judge people. You say some gay men are pedophiles!! You see the thinking of some old-school people like Force??? Let me remind you that there are TONS of straight pedophiles out there. And what? That's ok?!!! A straight pedophile is fine but a gay one is worse? Give your head a shake! If society and religions would stop judging/citicizing gay people, I am convinced that less gay men would feel the need to get married to a woman to hide their secret. Now THAT would be a good start. Religion is hyprocrisy. Without it, people would not lie to themselves and others.
  • Confusioussays's avatar Confusioussays wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:40 AM

    I am the son of a gay man. My father came out to my mother after many discussions and confrontations a year before they told my sister and I. They had been married 26 years. He moved out for 2 months moved home on my birthday, gave a great performance over christmas, then moved out again in early January. Now my Mother deserves so much more then what she is getting, like the above story she has lost more then her husband she has lost her best friend. It has been a long 7 years and I am still dealing and accepting some things, my one main statement is to think of the children if any are involved. Now being the age I was, I was able to understand what was going on, but to have the rug pulled out on you after 20 years of "picture perfect life". Mom, Dad, Sister, Dog and I, white picket fence. Then Poof upside down your world goes. I no I am not gay, but still have fears of destroying my future wifes life and the life of our potential children. This is the long term effects that I am dealing with.
  • Confusioussays's avatar Confusioussays wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:43 AM

    I am the son of a gay man. My father came out to my mother after many discussions and confrontations a year before they told my sister and I. They had been married 26 years. He moved out for 2 months moved home on my birthday, gave a great performance over christmas, then moved out again in early January. Now my Mother deserves so much more then what she is getting, like the above story she has lost more then her husband she has lost her best friend. It has been a long 7 years and I am still dealing and accepting some things, my one main statement is to think of the children if any are involved. Now being the age I was, I was able to understand what was going on, but to have the rug pulled out on you after 20 years of "picture perfect life". Mom, Dad, Sister, Dog and I, white picket fence. Then Poof upside down your world goes. I no I am not gay, but still have fears of destroying my future wifes life and the life of our potential children. This is the long term effects that I am dealing with.
  • Biffy's avatar Biffy wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:55 AM

    My partner comes from this situation and quite frankly, I think you women are delusional. Seriously, how well did you actually know this man if you didn't even get a hint that he was gay? Also, this is for "Force"...it's people like you, with your stereotypical views, that make this world such a hateful place. My gay partner and I are both law-abiding, hard-working, productive members of society. Our "gayness" has nothing to do with the moral code we live by.
  • cztrip's avatar cztrip wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:14 AM

    This story has nothing to do with being gay it is about two people being in a relationship only to discover that one of them changed. I have been married to a gay person and what bother me the most is the fact that if he had any and I mean, ANY inkling that he had some thoughts of the opposite sex sexually or not sexually, maybe in a relationship kind of way, he should have experimented first prior to making the commitment of marriage to someone who wants a traditional marriage of a husband and wife and to have children. The women who have been in the his situation feel like some of their life has been wasting trying to fix their marriage, improve themselves, read up on new romantic ideas, only to find out that it is now them. I understand that it may be hard at times, depending on the situation to "come out" and admit openly that you are gay but it is also painful and hurtful to the wife who has believed all her life that that was her loving husband til death do you part. You get married because you are ready to make a commitment to one person and journey through the rest of your life as a couple. Even though, I am very open minded and I want everyone to be happy in their life, I wish I had known sooner than waster 7 years of my life.
  • cztrip's avatar cztrip wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:15 AM

    Addendum: to my comment above, I meant thoughts of the same sex- Sorry!
  • KJIII's avatar KJIII wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:32 AM

    I think it's an unacceptable moral issue. Why do so many gay men use women, destroy lives only to cover up their attraction to men. Do they ever think for a second that the 'inconsequential' people that they use to mask themselves are people too, and that they deserve a right to happy lives without someone using them as a prop?
  • KJIII's avatar KJIII wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:34 AM

    I think it's an unacceptable moral issue. Why do so many gay men use women, destroy lives only to cover up their attraction to men. Do they ever think for a second that the 'inconsequential' people that they use to mask themselves are people too, and that those human beings deserve a right have happy lives without someone using them as a prop? Is it innate that so many gay men do this?
  • goldie99's avatar goldie99 wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:35 AM

    For those of you who have had this horrific experience, I would hope that you've seen a medical professional, especially if you've engaged in sexual relations lately with your husbands. Did he use protection when having the 'affairs' with the other men? You really must give this some serious thought. I feel badly that you've had to endure this tragedy in your lives. Not only have you suffered a severe shock, I can well imagine what this has done to not only your immediate families, but to your other relatives as well. Be strong..time heals all things...God bless you all!!
  • buffyverrban's avatar buffyverrban wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:37 AM

    To Force- you are very judgmental and you have no right to be. To Bullet - religion isn't hypocracy. There are millions of people who are religious who accept people for whatever they are (gay, straight, bi, etc) I'm sorry the people you have dealt with have made the rest of us look bad and I hope you can see past it and not judge people on religion the same as you ask people not to judge on orientation. That being said. I am so sorry for you ladies. As I read the letter my heart broke. I can't imagine the pain you must feel. What bothers me is that they knew they were gay and got married anyway. Then they lied for years and then were unfaithful. I feel like the blow may have been lessened (maybe) if it hadn't been followed with "oh, and I met someone and am leaving you for him." I understand being true to yourself, but being unfaithful is being unfaithful no matter who it's with. I'm hoping society has changed enough that men and women are comfortable to be who they are so they don't end up putting anyone through what you've gone through. I don't think I would be a strong as you ladies have been.
  • PEEWEE's avatar PEEWEE wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:38 AM

    I'm a daughter of a gay man. My parents were married for 13 years. Yes, my dad got married and had children back in the 80's just like every other gay man because our society is so narrow minded and this type of thing wasn't accepted and still people have trouble accepting it. Who are we to prevent someone from being happy. I'm thrilled that my dad is finally happy and that he can now be honest with himself. Why live a lie. Ok, yes my mom was heart but she became a stronger person. I've come to realize that there are worse thing in life then being gay. It took balls for my dad to be able to tell my mom his secret. If that's not man enough i don't know what is. And if it wasn't for our narrow minded society i'm sure that not as many women would be sharing similar story.
  • Enraged's avatar Enraged wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:39 AM

    Delusional, Biffy? Oh yes it must be the womans fault! Not the liars. Have you ever looked at Kijiji or Craiglist and seen how many of these "men" require "absolute descretion"? Read married for that and don't want to be found out. These men put the woman in jeopardy of receiving some nice little STD present. Do you know how humiliating and infuriating it is to go have bloodwork for HIV, syphilis and whatever little goodies are out there...when you are not doing anything?
  • KJIII's avatar KJIII wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:41 AM

    I think it's an unacceptable moral issue. Why do so many gay men use women, destroy lives only to cover up their attraction to men. Do they ever think for a second that the 'inconsequential' people that they use to mask themselves are people too, and that those human beings deserve a right have happy lives without someone using them as a prop? Is it innate that so many gay men do this?
  • Coco56's avatar Coco56 wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:16 AM

    Things happen in life that we simply have no control of. Some of us accept and move on, and unfortunately, others don't. But we should not cast stones on each other but be forgiving, compassionate and pray for each other. Remember God is love. He loves us all and forgives us when we mess up, and we should do the same. C.A.T.
  • TaoMan's avatar TaoMan wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:25 AM

    I totally agree with KJiLL - i am not gay although I have a gay friend that I am helping with his life path. People don't choose to be gay but they do choose how they deal with it. To say that a gay person has no choice but to deceive a woman and lie to her for whatever number of years is the worst cop-out of all. They DO have a choice - to stand up and be whom they are (and deal with the consequences), or to go the way of deceit. The way of deceit totally disgusts me because they are thinking ONLY of themselves in that route - there is no consideration whatsoever for the feelings or impact on the wife, in-laws, and/or children. Be honest 9or stay single) - it's the ONLY way.
  • modernman's avatar modernman wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:27 AM

    To KJIII: I'm not sure where you're getting this belief that "so many" gay men "use women, destroy lives". I would hazzard a guess that the majority of gay men (at least in this generation) do not lie about their sexuality. Those who do, and those who have done so, are pushed to lie by a society which teaches that homosexuality is unacceptable, a sin. When we teach our children that any love is acceptable, be it for the opposite sex or the same sex, then maybe we will have fewer of these stories. In short- you can't teach a person to lie about themselves, and then fault them for lying!
  • Willow87's avatar Willow87 wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:29 AM

    Biffy, making statements that a woman is delusional because she doesn't realize her spouse is gay is without compassion, arrogant, and blind. As you claim to be a member of the gay commmunity, you should be well aware that many gay individuals live their lives in the closet. The very nature of the closeted gay husband's behavior is to DECEIVE in order to preserve his secret. His behavior is carefully guarded and crafted to hide his secret so that NO ONE finds him out and he can continue to stay in the closet for whatever reasons of his own. There are some men who are obviously gay. However, there are others that are not obvious and/or hide it so well, displaying no outward leanings toward the same sex, that a wife would never know he was gay. In fact, at times this type of man might even act like a homophobe in order to cement the illusion of who he really is, and what he is trying to deny. This behavior allows this type of man's deception to be a complete success, which is his goal. So, as to your question about how well did she know this man?..The answer is obviously; only as well as HE let her know him.
  • leee's avatar leee wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:33 AM

    As the mother of a lesbian, I have watched the extremently difficult process of denial, confusion, anger, self-hate, questioning and finally acceptance of something that is absolutely necessary however deeply difficult in this society. No one sets out to use straight people as a cover up, many people either don't realize it or try very hard to live a life that is acceptable to the rest of the world. Ultimately living a lie is impossible without destroying your soul in the process. Society's disapproval of gay people is what causes these deceptions, not any innate flaw in gay men or women. Acceptance of all of us, regardless of sexual orientation, race, creed, colour, gender, age, etc. is the only real solution to stopping the phenomenon of destroying lives. Allowing people to marry the person they love without judgement would be a huge step in the right direction toward that happening.
  • Enraged's avatar Enraged wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:34 AM

    Excellent post Willow87.
  • miss_x's avatar miss_x wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:37 AM

    Okay, now let me get this 'straight'.. and i use that term loosely. The opinions of some of you gals, shock me..apall me.. and leave a very very bad taste im my mouth. If after 20 years, you or your husband 'come out' because they feel the need to and the comfort to, then let them ffs. Would you rather he/she never tell you and have you come up with some disease and never know why? ALSO why not talk about it, communicate your concerns, share your fears and thoughts.. and hell make it an open marriage. Because really, how can a friendship after say some odd 20 years end if its that strong? My partner and I have been through alot of crap, and let me tell you, if there wasn't a basis of a very strong foundsation of freindship we wouldn't be where we are today. After 20 years of marriage.. accept him as he's finally able to tell you.. talk with him.. but most importantly be his freind. Thats what the marriage should be based on anyways yes? Forget the sex (can get it anywhere) forget the financial aspect (you can make it on your own) .. the bottom line is the freindship. If your husband/wife comes out to you.. open your arms and let them trust you and most importantly ..be the friend they fell in love with in the first place. Friendship shouldn't end.. the marriage maybe (intmiacy etc) but the friendship should not end. Think about it.. and pick your battles as my baby would say.. be the friemd in the end cause thats how it all started in the first place.
  • cgil's avatar cgil wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:38 AM

    Gay men should NEVER get married - particularly closeted ones. Even bi-sexuals who feel that they need to have sex with both sexes should not do it. These letters are evidence as to the tragedy it causes. There is no excuse for someone NOT acknowledging who they are. It doesn't mean that they have to tell the world. It DOES mean though that you cannot take women's lives hostage while you either deny yourself you true identity, and/or cheat on your marriage and children. It is deplorable and the ultimate in selfishness with NO excuse.
  • KJIII's avatar KJIII wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:42 AM

    "To KJIII: I'm not sure where you're getting this belief that "so many" gay men "use women, destroy lives". I would hazzard a guess that the majority of gay men (at least in this generation) do not lie about their sexuality. Those who do, and those who have done so, are pushed to lie by a society which teaches that homosexuality is unacceptable," There is no excuse for treating another person's life as inconsequential. And, yes, many, many innocent women are denied the right to a happy life because there aren't considered as human being they way they should. There are merely props, and no excuse can condone that. Seems what your saying is society treats gays bad, so a few sacrifices (innocent women) are acceptable. I am saying it's not..
  • TaoMan's avatar TaoMan wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:43 AM

    I totally agree with KJiLL - i am not gay although I have a gay friend that I am helping with his life path. People don't choose to be gay but they do choose how they deal with it. To say that a gay person has no choice but to deceive a woman and lie to her for whatever number of years is the worst cop-out of all. They DO have a choice - to stand up and be whom they are (and deal with the consequences), or to go the way of deceit. The way of deceit totally disgusts me because they are thinking ONLY of themselves in that route - there is no consideration whatsoever for the feelings or impact on the wife, in-laws, and/or children. Be honest 9or stay single) - it's the ONLY way.
  • charlottes's avatar charlottes wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:53 AM

    My situation is a little bit different, but the deception and pain that goes along with it, I imagine is similar. I was married to a man, who after the birth of our child started to exhibit some strange behaviours. I thought maybe it was me, but when he finally came to tell me the truth, it was devastating. He wanted to become a woman. He (now she) was not attracted to men, loved me and wanted to be with me. He told me he was still the same person, and would be the same person, just in the form of a woman. I am not gay, and felt used, deceived and quite frankly disgusted. I ended the marriage immediately, and he (she) has no contact with our child (his/her) decision. It is for the best. To this day I struggle with trust issues. Everything that I knew seemed to turn out to be a lie, and I felt like a pawn in his deception. If only he could have been honest with himself, and not used me. Instead I live the rest of my life dealing with the deception, questioning my own judgement, and trying to figure out the right way to explain who the other parent is, but I can't really answer that, because he is now a she, and I never really knew him at all.
  • Smartheart's avatar Smartheart wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:53 AM

    Jesus wouldn't type in caps. ;) I'd like to add to my past little rant, that the man in the story chose to have affairs, and joined a "community" before letting his partner know he was gay. Along with the heartbreak, and, as with any cheater, I hope she got tested for STDs!
  • Paul A's avatar Paul A wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:57 AM

    I think most of you are missing a huge point: this guy knocked himself out for 23 years, suppressing his own desperate longings, while he made a home for the woman he loved and their children. Eventually, after more than 20 years of giving his all in a relationship that wasn't fulfilling his needs (and doing so because the society he lived in threatened him with ostracization, isolation and even physical violence if he didn't stick to the "straight and narrow), he ran out of strength. This was not a deliberate, calculated deception on his part, it was a life-long attempt to meet what he thought was expected of him, all the while ignoring his own needs. He AND his wife AND the children all deserve our compassion, not our condemnation.
  • leee's avatar leee wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:59 AM

    Well said Paul A.
  • canykane's avatar canykane wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:10 AM

    everyone needs to understand, that we all have the potential and the physical aspects as human beings to be gay! our society and up bringing have moled us to frown apon people who are attracted to the same sex. And religion has brain washed us to be with the opposit sex, and to stay with them for a life time. That is culty to the human life, why deprive ourselves to be with just one partner for life. Why deprive ouself of having sexual stimulations in ways that feel GOOD? Mechanically we humans have beter sex when the tools of the opposit sex are used, and even for women who prefer to be arroused and cared for in a tantric manner, that mostly only women can do, plus we all have fantasy..
  • canykane's avatar canykane wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:10 AM

    But if we have an open mind and we love the person we are with, there is no reason why we should rule out these fantasies, and not be able to enjoy them together, role play and share new partners togther. it is an amazing turn on to see your partner have pleasure and be arroused, with or without you. Women, don't be shy with your husbands, and step out of that shell, get some toys, and get a girlfriend too. and men, stop thinking that just because you want to stick it in to another hole that you have become gay, imagin that your woman can make it possible for you to receive also. Women and men can be best friends, and it takes all kinds to make our world.. Yes some people are biologicly women stuck in mens bodies, and the opposit also. It's only a small % of an actual medical condition. And now it seems everyone has this condition, right! it's become a style to become gay. Guys who like pink, and guys who like to cook ect, suddnely need to change and be gay to be accepted. Thats what our society pushes them to do. Comon- we all can be ourselves, and enjoy it, do we realy need to choose, for life???
  • ZeDuLi's avatar ZeDuLi wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:19 AM

    I have a very good friend who finally, after three years of me knowing and him denying (to himself, and to me), came out to me. This was after I'd asked him several times point blank, asked him in subtle fashions, and gave mini-hints. He finally came to a point where HE was ready to tell me, and he did. This is a friend who would tell me everything about his day, down to what he ate, but for three years hid his biggest secret. And this, in the modern days of open-sexuality! Just imagine the guys that grew up in the 60's and 70's! I can get why some of these people were terrified of the feelings they locked inside for years, or even decades! Yes, it's a terrible thing that these families are being ripped apart by this situation, but just think of how awful the man feels. He knows that he's decieved everyone for years, and that his coming out will affect his wife, his kids, his extended family, his friends, their church, and everyone else that may be involved in some way. Imagine the pressure a person must feel when their heart is elsewhere, but they can no longer deny their base desires! In a perfect world, no one would go through this pain - on either side of the fence. But I would think that a loveless, passionless marriage would be even more painful in the long run - at least these guys finally manned up a bit and let their wives go free to have the men in their lives that they really deserve!
  • ZeDuLi's avatar ZeDuLi wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:20 AM

    I have a very good friend who finally, after three years of me knowing and him denying (to himself, and to me), came out to me. This was after I'd asked him several times point blank, asked him in subtle fashions, and gave mini-hints. He finally came to a point where HE was ready to tell me, and he did. This is a friend who would tell me everything about his day, down to what he ate, but for three years hid his biggest secret. And this, in the modern days of open-sexuality! Just imagine the guys that grew up in the 60's and 70's! I can get why some of these people were terrified of the feelings they locked inside for years, or even decades! Yes, it's a terrible thing that these families are being ripped apart by this situation, but just think of how awful the man feels. He knows that he's decieved everyone for years, and that his coming out will affect his wife, his kids, his extended family, his friends, their church, and everyone else that may be involved in some way. Imagine the pressure a person must feel when their heart is elsewhere, but they can no longer deny their base desires! In a perfect world, no one would go through this pain - on either side of the fence. But I would think that a loveless, passionless marriage would be even more painful in the long run - at least these guys finally manned up a bit and let their wives go free to have the men in their lives that they really deserve!
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:23 AM

    The ending of any relationship built on love is a tragedy. I am a gay man that was married to a wonderful woman for 31 years before coming out. Our relationship ended 3.5 years ago and we remain best friends because we do love each other very deeply and becasue she IS simply the most loving, caring, compassionate person I have ever met.
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:24 AM

    During our 31 years, I tried with all my heart to be a good husband and father and I never cheated on my wife. My wife deserved so much more than I could give her. Do I feel remorse? You damn right I do - every waking day. And yes, like the author of this piece, my wife has come out a stronger more capable person. In her (my wife's) own words, she had a choice to make: she could either be angry and bitter and consumed with hatred, OR she could choose to be compassionate, happy with herself, and, salvage all the good things that we shared together. I am and will be eternally grateful for her choice. Now, the root of these tragedies is a society that preaches that gays are "not normal", "perverted", "immoral", "not real men/women" or any other number of hateful/judgmental epithets. Gay people did not choose to be this way - God created us, and, God does not make mistakes. We are who we are. If we could change, don't you think we would? So, going forward, please, please, please try to be accepting of gays so that no other woman (or man) will be the subject of a mixed (heterosexual/gay) marriage. And, by the way, I don't need anyone's forgiveness for how I chose to live my life; I have the acceptance and love of all the people who are important to me: my ex-wife, my son, my grand-daughter and my entire extended family.
  • JennGruden's avatar JennGruden wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:24 AM

    EDITOR'S NOTE: Hi everyone. We're really glad to have you responding to this piece and to welcome many of you to More.ca. I've already had to delete one comment to this piece, and I'd like to ask everyone to remember that this is a sensitive issue, and that real people are at the other end of the keyboard. Please comment respectfully! Also I'll add that we have a small team and we will moderate, but it is not always instantaneous. We appreciate your patience.
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:24 AM

    I had too much to say so I had to split it up into two comments. Thanks for reading.
  • Biffy's avatar Biffy wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:27 AM

    No "Enraged" I haven't looked at those sights...again thats a stereotype that you're perpetuating. I am a monogamous, upstanding gay man that doesnt' have any of the STD's that you so strongly believe gay people have and spread. You're a very bitter, uneducated women and again, it's people like you that make the world a terrible place to live in. This isn't about being gay, it's about the morals instilled in us by our parents (hey ladies, that includes MOTHERS). Raise your kids to love and respect others and I'm pretty sure all this hatred will end.
  • jsbanana's avatar jsbanana wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:33 AM

    Wow! It is so nice to see I am not alone although that is how I felt when I found out my husband of 17 years was a gay transvestite! I was in shock after finding the videos and paraphenalia that goes with his mental illness labelled transvestic fetishism. The hardest part for me is that he still denies it. In order to make himself look like the good guy he blames me for thefailure of our marriage. It is hard to have closure with him as we have 2 wonderful children that he practically ignores. His addictions are so strong he would rather "do his thing" and at any cost. I did learn a fabulous lesson from all this...you can never trust anyone but yourself. Go with your intuition.
  • sparrow's avatar sparrow wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:40 AM

    I am a gay man married to a woman. I have known I was gay all of my life but what I wanted more than anything in the world was to get married and have children. I used to pray every night that I would not be gay when I became an adult. I have now been married for 24 yrs to a wonderful woman. We have 3 children and none of them know of my sexuality. Although I am very private about this side of my life I felt I had to write because what many people forget is that just because a gay man marries a woman doesn’t restrict infidelity to them! My wife and I have many straight friends who are constantly jumping in and out of bed with each other. I have been propositioned by both sexes on numerous occasions. Is this act of infidelity less wrong or painful to a spouse than same sex partners? I am not condoning a gay man marrying to “cover up” his sexuality, but what I am saying is gay or straight, many of you should take a good long look in the mirror. I have never or never will do anything that would put my wife's health in any kind of jeopardy. I married for the right reasons gay or not. I’m a good father to my children, I cook, clean, I earn a great wage which I always hand to my wife at the end of every week. I laugh and cry at movies with my wife, I take in stray animals, kids and the odd woman who has been battered by their womanizing “straight” husbands. I have never raised my hand to my children or my wife. Sometimes being married to a gay man isn’t all doom and gloom.
  • force's avatar force wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:40 AM

    I AM CLEARLY STATING FACTS FROM MY PERSONAL SITUATION. Do not come to conclusions, judge me or critisize my statements which are based on fact. MY MAN HAS BETRYAYED LIED CHEATED AND JEAPORDISED THE HEALTH OF ANY/ALL SEXUAL PARTNERS HE IS CHOOSING TO RELIEVE HIS PERSONAL FETISHES. This may not apply to you and your situation, only my own, I happened to fall inlove with a chamelion who can become whatever needs be to persue his ultimate goal. My man happened to have preditor type tendancies and through his craigslist ads and kijiji ads along with his personal emails, I exposed his preferences which happened to be age play on both spectrums. Him with older being the submissive, and his play also involved young prey, which through time became younger and younger. He admitted he could not help himself and analysed it as being druglike addiction. THIS MAY BE TOO MUCH INFORMATION FOR SOME. To gay men who cherish emotional committment with integrity, hats off! I do not believe all are in one catagory, and I do not judge, merely state facts, so to many men who do cruise, beware, and to women who think they are dating a straight men, also aware and dig deep.
  • SMPrincess's avatar SMPrincess wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:41 AM

    My father was gay. After my brother, sister and I left home he told my mother. My father was not really present in our life. When he was home he was reading or sleeping. My mother and aunts raised us. We did love him as much as we knew how to - he was very handsome, literate and funny. We all understood what my mother saw in him. It was very hard on my mother but she did not leave him. She told us that he was not leaving her because he was old now and no longer able to attract men. Over the years my father told me about his gay life - it was shocking to me but I wanted to know and he wanted me to know because i had two sons and he wanted me to protect them. I could go on but what I want to share is the effect living with a secret had on me. We all knew something was not quite right in our home and now as an adult I'm suspicious, not very trusting of the men in my life and as it turns out for good reason. I picked men that also had a secret - not being gay but something serious - because I was used to living with a secret. My father died at the age of 62 which aloud my mother to meet and marry a man she says was the love of her life at the age of 62. She was angry and sad at times that her life with my father was not the life she wanted but she would not have left him because she eventually understood his situation and loved him for who he was in the end. She would say that a sin that is hidden is half forgiven.
  • modernman's avatar modernman wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:50 AM

    jsbanana: Just to clarify this post, it should be pointed out that MOST transvestites (men who wear women's clothing) are heterosexual men. Also transvestic fetishism isn't a "mental illness" persay, it is categorized as a paraphilia.
  • ZeDuLi's avatar ZeDuLi wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:52 AM

    To "force", isn't it a little paranoid to say "to women who think they are dating a straight men, also aware and dig deep"? I mean, really? Because you've been burnt by some XXX  who can't own his issues and blames others doesn't mean that all men are out to get you! To imply something so presposterous is telling - I think you need to get some counselling to get over the immense issues caused by said [xxx - ed note; I've left this comment but deleted one word; please remember to use respectful language and be kind to each other - JG]. No one should live their life bitter and angry, distrustful and wary, afraid and incapable of moving forward. I'm not trying to downplay what's happened in your life, obviously its HUGE. But you do need professional support to help you move on - not friends who pretend to be therapists, and not a journal of angry thoughts, and not a forum on which to spread fear based warnings and to tell everyone and their dog how you were wronged. It doesn't solve anything.
  • SMPrincess's avatar SMPrincess wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:53 AM

    My father was gay. After my brother, sister and I left home he told my mother. My father was not really present in our life. When he was home he was reading or sleeping. My mother and aunts raised us. We did love him as much as we knew how to - he was very handsome, literate and funny. We all understood what my mother saw in him. It was very hard on my mother but she did not leave him. She told us that he was not leaving her because he was old now and no longer able to attract men. Over the years my father told me about his gay life - it was shocking to me but I wanted to know and he wanted me to know because i had two sons and he wanted me to protect them. I could go on but what I want to share is the effect living with a secret had on me. We all knew something was not quite right in our home and now as an adult I'm suspicious, not very trusting of the men in my life and as it turns out for good reason. I picked men that also had a secret - not being gay but something serious - because I was used to living with a secret. My father died at the age of 62 which aloud my mother to meet and marry a man she says was the love of her life at the age of 62. She was angry and sad at times that her life with my father was not the life she wanted but she would not have left him because she eventually understood his situation and loved him for who he was in the end. She would say that a sin that is hidden is half forgiven.
  • Enraged's avatar Enraged wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:54 AM

    Well Bully for you Biffy. I am speaking about what I have seen dealing with my situation which is pretty well along the lines of Force. Use some reading comprehension when you read that I was not referring to men in GAY relationships.
  • Paul A's avatar Paul A wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:54 AM

    I swear to you I only posted that ONCE!! Jenn, as long as you're deleting things, why not delete all the duplicate posts (and maybe figure out why they're happening and fix that too!)
  • jean12's avatar jean12 wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:02 PM

    Can a man have feelings for the same sex or know that he is gay and do not act on his homosexual feelings? Can a man spend 10 or 20 years with homosexual feelings and still be faithful to his opposite sex partner? The author of the article does not state if the man cheated on her while in the marriage. If the man did not cheat on her and finally he realizes that he needs to change his life, doesn't he have the right to do so? For many of the readers who have hatred or anger towards their ex. By not forgiving and letting go and moving on with your life, you are causing yourself more pain, more suffering, and you are suffering all alone while the other person is enjoying her or his life. Forgiveness is completely different from forgetting. You don't have to forget and you may never forget but forgiving is a major step to healing. Why do you want to keep holding on a hot rock burning your hand? When you have the choice to drop that hot rock and be free.
  • force's avatar force wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:12 PM

    ZeDuli Thank you, point taken. It is a fresh wound, time will heal I am sure. I would like to say, in my situation..he was an absolute dream come true and an expert womanizer who is concidered very attractive and successful and comes off as straight.
  • Dr RJ's avatar Dr RJ wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:13 PM

    What is wrong with you people? The physical world is undeniable, even if it upsets the petty, meaningless existence you lead. I would feign some kind of respect for women's issues, but most of you are too ignorant to realize how petty this VERY LONG and OFFENSIVE comment page is. Let's get a few facts clear: men are STILL men regardless of who they are attracted to; second, women are ALSO STILL women regardless of who they are attracted to; third, IGNORANCE is your own fault. It is petty, ignorant and horrifyingly uneducated people like YOU who drive homosexual men and women to hide their feelings from the world to fit the social norms of your own bigotry.
  • baking66's avatar baking66 wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:16 PM

    I too was married to a man who told me he was gay 12 years into our marriage. I believe that he fought with this decision for a long time. It wasn't socially acceptable to be gay back in the days when we were married. I have come along way in the ten years that have past since our divorce, but it was anything but easy. I too had issues with self-esteem feeling for so many years that he wasn't that into me, because of me. What other possibility could there have been. I remember far too many nights, feeling rejected sexually and crying for hours, alone. The hurt that I felt was too much to bear at times. I started journaling. I remember writing epics while I sat in the bathroom crying, while the rest of the house slept, unaware of my pain. I am in a new relationship now and all I can say is that I am much happier and definitely more fulfilled. I assume my ex is also much happier as well. In the end it was our only option to each go our own ways.
  • Lola Spring's avatar Lola Spring wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:17 PM

    Very interesting read. It's a difficult situation because I can completely understand how the author of this article would feel intense betrayal and confusion...but I think it's more about being lied to all those years and what others will think (as made obvious by many of the callous comments left above), than about the fact that he is gay. On the other hand, I completely agree that if society was more open and accepting of gay men and women and made it easier for them to have the things in life that most straight people take for granted (ie getting married, having children etc), this unfortunate sitation would not happen as often. Perhaps at that time in his life, the author's husband wanted to be married and have children more than he wanted to be with another man...we all make sacrifices in our lives for the things we want most. I don't think his decieving her to hide the fact that he was gay is any worse than straight men and women who have affairs, lead secret lives or do any of the other deceptive things that people do to their spouses. I am glad that the author had the support she needed to get through it, and I think the most tragic part of the story is the fact that they were unable to remain friends, having once been so close.
  • ZeDuLi's avatar ZeDuLi wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:20 PM

    Force, most men are dreams come true - then they fart in bed. :) Everyone makes mistakes, don't beat yourself up. But an expert really can help you come to grips with this situation. As for Mr. Perfect XXX [Ed. note: Please watch the language], my advice is to cut ties completely if possible (i.e. no kids involved?), consider yourself lucky to be rid of him, and find some other guy who treats you like the queen you deserve to be. Don't waste your time and energy hating and distrusting - life can be so much more than that.
  • Girl66's avatar Girl66 wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:26 PM

    Thank you Dr RJ!!!!
  • jean12's avatar jean12 wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:28 PM

    Lied to: When exactly does someone lie to his or her partner regarding sexual feelings or being gay? Should someone tell a partner all his/her thoughts or feelings about the opposite or same sex?
  • Lola Spring's avatar Lola Spring wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:29 PM

    As well, though this situation has not happened to me, a very close friend of mine is getting ready to marry a man early next year who most of our male and female friends believe to be gay. She seems oblivious to what seems obvious to the rest of us, and he has never admitted it openly. We've been part of this group of friends for over 10 years, some for even longer, and over the years (most of which time they have been dating) it has come up countless times (in discussions between the rest of us) that he is gay. We would absolutely accept him if he were to come out, and he seems to hint at it more and more through words and actions, which she excuses as his 'quirky personality'. I don't know what to do. We've all hoped for their sake (and the sake of future children) that we're wrong, but I trully do not want to see my friend go through what these other women have. Her family, and even her own personality (she's somewhat of a perfectionist and very proud), would not accept him coming out well...I know it would likely ruin the rest of her life. They've already stopped sleeping together, so I don't know how much longer this facade will hold together...and the wedding quickly approaches. Should I express my concerns (and in doing so, likely throw away a 10 year friendship), or should I sit back and watch and wait and pray that we're wrong, and be there for her when it turns out that we're right?
  • ZeDuLi's avatar ZeDuLi wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:32 PM

    Lola, talk to the man in the relationship and tell him that you are NOT judging him. But if he goes forward with the marriage, and finds five years from now he can no longer deny his true desires, how much worse would THAT be compared to halting a doomed wedding?
  • JennGruden's avatar JennGruden wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:32 PM

    Also, just a note to remind you all that if you are logged in you can click on the "report as abuse" button. Thanks!
  • Pitchertaker's avatar Pitchertaker wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:33 PM

    I would beg to differ with Paul. Of course it was a deliberate, calculated deception. How could it not be? And crap to him knocking himself out to provide for the little woman. What decade are you living in? Been there, lived the life. Lies are lies no matter who is telling them. I would venture to guess that you may just be one of those delilberatly decieving husbands who are trying to justify to yourself why you do what you do. How do you live with the guilt? ...and please don't try to tell me that you don't have any.
  • Paul A's avatar Paul A wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:39 PM

    For a fascinating counter-point to this article (and the sometimes vitrolic commentary appended to it), take a look at this article on More.cm, the American companion to this site: http://www.more.com/sex-dating/over-40-and-gay/ It's story about women who, after the age of 40, realize that they're gay. The story has several references to women leaving their husbands to pursue their new life. Interestingly, though, no mention is made at all about the deep hurt and betrayal of the husbands, the lies and deception of these must-be-pedophiles lesbians.... No, to the contrary, the story is mostly about how these women should be celebrated for being so brave as to take off after their true selves at their midlife, etc. Now, granted, this IS a website for women :-) But, still, it seems sauce for the goose is NOT sauce for the gander. Perhaps some of you that have spoken up so readily about what a cad this guy must be would now care to comment on your lesbian sisters callously dumping their faithful life-mates?
  • Pitchertaker's avatar Pitchertaker wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:40 PM

    I would beg to differ with Paul. Of course it was a deliberate, calculated deception. How could it not be? And crap to him knocking himself out to provide for the little woman. What decade are you living in? Been there, lived the life. Lies are lies no matter who is telling them. I would venture to guess that you may just be one of those delilberatly decieving husbands who are trying to justify to yourself why you do what you do. How do you live with the guilt? ...and please don't try to tell me that you don't have any.
  • Survivor's avatar Survivor wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:42 PM

    My husband told me that he had been "seeing someone" for ten years -- we had been married 12 years so do the math. I asked who she was and was shocked to learn "she" was a "he". Garry was bi-sexual and had carried that secret with him for many, many years. He functioned as a happily married man (I was the cover I guess). After the confession, our marriage was never the same. Garry completed suicide one year later. Do I understand? No. Do I forgive? Yes. The burden he carried was enormous. He destroyed me -- I have no trust in men any more, no self-esteem, the thoughts of "what did I do wrong" used to consume me. However, life does go on.
  • Paul A's avatar Paul A wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:45 PM

    Well, Pitchertaker, thank you at least for being civil in your comments. To answer your implied question, no, I'm not one of those gays, so no, I don't lie to my girlfriend about it, and I feel terribly guilty in telling you that I have nothing even BE guilty about, let alone feel guilty about. But think about it: why would anyone, of either gender, willingly give up 20+ years of their life for a deception? My God, you get sentenced to less than that for murder!
  • Biffy's avatar Biffy wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:49 PM

    Well people, this could be debated forever. Some of you make valid points, some of you are ridiculous. Sad that your husbands have deceived you and ruined your lives, but here's another point; your life was great until this happened, as a 41 year old gay man, I've lived my WHOLE life dealing with CRAP about being gay from people like some of you. Life isn't always fair, now is it? Upon reading some of your comments on here ladies, all I can say is "Thank God I'm Gay."
  • Pitchertaker's avatar Pitchertaker wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:52 PM

    Who would enter into such a relationship in the first place? There can't be that much loyalty so someone if you enter into the marriage for your own deceitful purposes...whether to hide or conform...you made the decison. Here's a good one for you...you know that murder sentence..well just so happens that my man works in a mens prison. Has for years and they don't know. I guess he's already doing his time.
  • Pitchertaker's avatar Pitchertaker wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:55 PM

    ...and Biffy. No life isn't fair, but most of us ladies didn't knowingly enter into relationships with Gay men. I guess you didn't get that point.
  • Paul A's avatar Paul A wrote:

    2009-03-12 12:58 PM

    Pitcher, why do you insist on saying that the person entered into the marriage "for their own deceitful purposes"?? Are you truly unable to imagine that a young person - man or woman, based on the article on More.com I mentioned above - might enter into a heterosexual marriage honestly believing that these strange urges they feel, that society has told them are wrong and entirely unacceptable, might pass? If they pour their heart and their very life into trying to make it work (as seems to have been the case here) for decades, how is that deceitful??
  • lostbutfound's avatar lostbutfound wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:00 PM

    I would like to make a comment to everyone who has written their feelings and their stories. I am living this situation right now..I am a man, and I did not know before getting married that I was gay. My wife is an amazing woman and I love her so much but by being honest with myself I know that she will be stonger and better for me telling her. She needs to be loved by a man that loves her wholly and not just emotionally..and I need the same . She is going through hell as am I, we are mourning the loss of a relationship, I would never have married just to do this to her. I have never cheated on her ..in fact I have never been with a man yet. Too all of the people who are or have been in this situation I feel for you ..both of you. This is hell, and I don't know if I can get through this..with out my best friend. I. Everyone's situation is different and unless you have walked in their shoes you don't know where they have been. Not all men are cheaters just like not all woman are weak. Good luck to the original writer, I am sure your husband did not want to hurt you or your children.
  • Pitchertaker's avatar Pitchertaker wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:16 PM

    I base my opinions on what I know. Do you have personal experience yourself or do you just take the word of some edited perspective? I do not judge people by what I see or perceive. I really and truly do not care whether you are gay or not. I also don't care what colour your skin is or your religious beliefs. People are people and we all have the same basic needs in life. I do however take very personal exception to being lied to. Unfortunately Paul, you have seemed to have judged without knowing what you are talking about. Again, I have lived the life, walked the walk and am able to talk the talk. Until you have lived it, please don't judge those of us who have. The man in this article knew what he was doing, and it was deceitful. The man I was married to for 19 years knew what he was doing as well and made the choice himself. Society did not make it for him, he could have remained single. He did however choose to lie as did the man in this article. Pour whatever you want into it, still doesn't make it acceptable.
  • lostbutfound's avatar lostbutfound wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:24 PM

    I would like to make a comment to everyone who has written their feelings and their stories. I am living this situation right now..I am a man, and I did not know before getting married that I was gay. My wife is an amazing woman and I love her so much but by being honest with myself I know that she will be stonger and better for me telling her. She needs to be loved by a man that loves her wholly and not just emotionally..and I need the same . She is going through hell as am I, we are mourning the loss of a relationship, I would never have married just to do this to her. I have never cheated on her ..in fact I have never been with a man yet. Too all of the people who are or have been in this situation I feel for you ..both of you. This is hell, and I don't know if I can get through this..with out my best friend. I. Everyone's situation is different and unless you have walked in their shoes you don't know where they have been. Not all men are cheaters just like not all woman are weak. Good luck to the original writer, I am sure your husband did not want to hurt you or your children.
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:27 PM

    The many, many posts on this article beg for a discussion group so that men and women who are the "survivors" of a mixed (heterosexual/gay) marriage or relationship can get some support to help them through a very difficult time and to find the way to healing. My ex-wife is working on starting such a group for the Ottawa area. If any are interested in participating or helping to get the discussion group off the ground, feel free to email to a_new_life_@live.co.uk
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:28 PM

    The many, many posts on this article beg for a discussion group so that men and women who are the "survivors" of a mixed (heterosexual/gay) marriage or relationship can get some support to help them through a very difficult time and to find the way to healing. My ex-wife is working on starting such a group for the Ottawa area. If any are interested in participating or helping to get the discussion group off the ground, feel free to email to a_new_life_@live.co.uk
  • lonely guy's avatar lonely guy wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:29 PM

    Hi Everyone, I was just reading through the posted comments. It looks to me like that some people are missing the point. Frist its not a religous issue. Second he didn't lie, in fact he didn't disclose which is completely different. For him to have lied she would have had to ask the question...right! And I'm sure if he wasn't gay and she asked, then what type of a relationship would that have turned into?
  • kerrid's avatar kerrid wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:40 PM

    I sometimes wonder if all men are gay? And all women are lesbian? I wonder how different this world would look if we all were encouraged to be in sexual relationships with same sex partners? I wonder how many people would decide that was more natural for them and feel it was their identity and not something that they have been brain washed to believe is 'normal'. My brother was married for over 10 years and when his son was born, he had an 'awakening' and realized he was attracted to men and had always felt differnt. He is now divorced from his wife and his daughter is 13 and son is 8. He wanted the "ideal" family life; he thought that was the "next" stage/step in his life at 24. He probably didn't even know the 'signs' that something was different. I want to understand how we can change this world so that we become a society that raises our children that they will be loved regardless of who they love; and that they should 100% explore being with same sex or opposite sex to see which one feels more 'right' for them. Just seeing all these posts of marriages breaking up because one partner is gay is unbelievable. So many children and partners hurt because people have been raised that being 'gay' is not the norm, and thus they can't even admit to themselves that they are not the 'norm' and so they deny, hide and feel ashamed of their same sex feelings.
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:44 PM

    CORRECTION TO MY POST: The email address is a_new_life@live.co.uk
  • Sercee's avatar Sercee wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:44 PM

    Lady, you are a fantastic and amazing woman! For all the heartache, you came out with an amazing attitude and stronger relationships with your children and your friends! I admire and salute you for being able to do that, as most other people would only feel bad for themselves.
  • Sercee's avatar Sercee wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:44 PM

    Lady, you are a fantastic and amazing woman! For all the heartache, you came out with an amazing attitude and stronger relationships with your children and your friends! I admire and salute you for being able to do that, as most other people would only feel bad for themselves.
  • Spookypig's avatar Spookypig wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:50 PM

    This article pushed so many buttons for me. Thank you for it. I am free now, but am sure my ex husband is gay (but not out of the closet). I am so happy to hear you have recovered, and are enjoying life again. To the person who said the husband in the article didn't lie, you are dead wrong. Omission is lying. His whole life was a lie.
  • dave dave's avatar dave dave wrote:

    2009-03-12 1:55 PM

    I am 52 year old gay male. Comments made by beautiful woman about where they put their things I did not expect in this day an age. It is not something you choose being gay. My view on a man getting married an knowing they have feeling for men is wrong. I do not think it is fair an i do think they have lived their life as a lie. But being gay is not something you choose. And society puts enormous pressure on gay males. There is a lot of pier presure to marry in families. Yes i do think the men who lie to these woman are wrong, like i have said above most times they did not have many choices. An i cannot imagine a woman finding out after being with someone for years that he is gay.If family and society did not pressure them we might not have all this unhappyness. Maybe someone will read this an have the balls to be honest. i am very disapointed on some of the attacks on gay men regarless of circumstances. I think we can all learn from this in a respectful way To all you woman out there who have been hurt my heart is with you stay strong. And guys be honest with your wife. For the record i had one friend who was married. He said he had feelings for men, i told him he had to tell her i said your not happy the right thing to do is tell her. I said right now is the time to be honest. He listened to me They are divorced now My point is talk to someone an be honest don't live the lie Dave from toronto canada
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:02 PM

    Moonlight: I don't think you need to worry about your kids "turning" gay and coming out to you. It won't happen. If I'm wrong and one of them is gay and does come out to you, all you should do is LOVE them.
  • Killah-Bunny's avatar Killah-Bunny wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:05 PM

    OMG,moonlight, are you for real??? [Editor's note: Part of this post has been removed; please don't call each other names]. I have seldom heard from a more misguided person. Being gay is not a "style". You obviously have no idea the stigma gay people go through every single day... it is not like choosing a hat or a pair of shoes. As far as I an concerned it makes way more sense for men/men and women/women to be together and love each other becasue you not only understand each others' psychies but physical wants/needs as well. Reproduction is a instinctual demand, love is mental, they are two different things.
  • Bullet's avatar Bullet wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:25 PM

    Interesting posts. I have one question to all the ladies who were married to a gay man. If your husband had been having an affair with another woman and left you for that other woman, would it be easier to accept? Just curious because if he lies about his feelings for you to have sex with another woman, wouldn't that hurt as much or even more? Thanks and good luck to all the women in this difficult situation.
  • Countrified's avatar Countrified wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:26 PM

    My husband died about 6 months ago, and I only found out about his double life when his carefully built walls came tumbling down after his death. About 3 weeks after he died he received an email from a former partner in the gay leather community, who was only to happy to let me in on his secret :(
  • beartype's avatar beartype wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:29 PM

    I am a gay man who frequently seems to attract married men. I have a hard time with this. These men seem very needy, want to explore their sexuality. For me I think respect is a very important tenant of any relationship. Sadly many of these men want to be with a compassionate caring man, yet they forget about their wives I like to befriend these men, but I draw a strict line about sex, they constantly try to cross it. I really don't know the answer, but I feel empathy for all.
  • Scratch_my_head's avatar Scratch_my_head wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:32 PM

    Sigh; my heart broke as I read this story and most of the subsequent ones. I am a gay man in his mid fourties and have never had an intimate relationship with either sex. I too was raised in a christian home. I have desired a "normal" relationship with the opposite sex since I was a teen, but my true feelings were for the same sex. I could not see myself lying to someone just to try and fit in society and church. I find that homosexuality is a very complicated and complex "lifestlye" that even after all these years, I am still scratching my head as to why I am who I am. I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all of my heart, yet there are these feelings deeply rooted within that make me want to look at other dudes. I have told my church folk about my struggles a long time ago and never really got any kind of support really. I have been on my own my whole life. Why gay men will and do marry women is truly beyond me if they lie to them just to "save face". To the original author, I want to thank you for posting this and hope that many who are living a lie will come clean and face their beloved willingly. May God bless you.
  • beartype's avatar beartype wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:35 PM

    I am a gay man who frequently seems to attract married men. I have a hard time with this. These men seem very needy, want to explore their sexuality. For me I think respect is a very important tenant of any relationship. Sadly many of these men want to be with a compassionate caring man, yet they forget about their wives I like to befriend these men, but I draw a strict line about sex, they constantly try to cross it. I really don't know the answer, but I feel empathy for all.
  • Paul A's avatar Paul A wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:45 PM

    So, Mrell, you're saying that if a young, inexperienced person has ANY FEELINGS AT ALL (your words, my emphasis) for their own gender, then they shouldn't marry? Given that study after study has shown that 80% of all humans are bisexual to some extent (and about 10% completely homosexual and about 10% completely heterosexual), you're saying that 80% of humans should NOT marry a person of the opposite sex on the 10% chance that they might be gay? Well, that would sure help with population control... On the other hand, it would mean a LOT of very sad, lonely people, too.
  • matta's avatar matta wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:51 PM

    Part 1 - As a gay man, I 'could' have made the same choice that Gerty Shipmaker's husband made back in the 80's. Although I thought it was pretty obvious that I was gay I never had a lack of girl's in high school and college that were interested in me. Plus I really liked the idea of being a father since I'm so good with kids. However I didn't because I knew that it was wrong to deceive another person (woman or man) and I find that Gerty's husband was a big XXX [Editor's note: Watch the language please] and there's no shortage of gay men just like Gerty's ex-husband. Trust me they're not just deceiving the women they're with, but they're also usually experts at deceiving the men they're with and at the same time slamming gay people at work and around their 'friends'. When I lived / worked in Halifax (one of the biggest closet communities in Canada), I was the only "out" gay man in an office of 320 people. I worked daily with guys who were obviously gay (even without gaydar, it seemed pretty obvious) but who were married to women. I tended to stay clear of them since I wanted nothing to do with that sort of person and I found them to be quite the backstabbers at work, who loved to talk down their dislike of gays & lesbians. Meanwhile at the same time they would sneak anonymously to chat rooms trying to pick you up (with their sad XXX stories) and creep into the gay bars at closing time in the hopes of pick up some drunk gay guy too blasted out of his mind to even notice who they were with.
  • matta's avatar matta wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:52 PM

    Part 2 - It was very difficult for me to stay the course and hope for a committed 'gay' relationship, when society seemed to so readily support (even reward) such hypocritical behavior. But in the end I did meet my soul mate (although I had to find him in the U.S.) and we've been together for 10 years (married for 5). We had no support on my side of the family and the decisions I've made to stay true to myself has cost me promotions in the corporate world (where they still prefer guys who live double lives, to guys who are honest). So while I think Gerty's ex-husband is a total selfish XXX, I understand why some people do it ... why not when you get rewarded for it.
  • matta's avatar matta wrote:

    2009-03-12 2:53 PM

    Part 3 - Now on the flip side of this argument, I also think that women have a great tendency to ignore the obvious! Over the years, even though I've been very clear to people that I'm gay, I've had many women at work and at church who have insisted that I "just haven't met the right woman yet" or "they are sure they're the woman who can change me". When I was single, I even had women respond to a profile I had on a gay matchmaking website, one of whom turned out to be a co-worker, who said she thought it was 'such a waste' that I was gay! She also ended up dating another co-worker who I told her point-blank was gayer than Richard Simmons ... she didn't believe me, but I put pressure on the turd and he eventually told her that he was "bi-sexual" (what a load of bullsh*t) ... but at least he backed off. In the future I'd recommend to "all" straight women that you cannot change anyone who is: (a) gay; (b) bisexual ; and if you want to really know if your boyfriend is gay .... ask a good gay friend to use their gaydar. I've seen one too many friends marrying gay guys (even today) when it's so obvious that they are gayer than a gay pride float.
  • Mizy's avatar Mizy wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:04 PM

    PART ONE: When I read stories like this one my heart breaks for all parties involved. It's not easy for either the male or female in the situation but its no different from any other divorce or falling out in a relationship. People move on from relationships all the time for all sorts of reasons and carrying anger in your life because you felt robbed of 10,20,30 years is rediculous. Move on!! you loved laughed and lived with that person if it was all bad you would have left a long time ago. Apprechiate the years you had and put all your engery into being mad at society for not being fully accepting of gays or bi's and forcing so many to try and live what society thinks is normal.
  • Countrified's avatar Countrified wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:05 PM

    Matta, Your recommendation to "ask a friend" would not have worked in my case. I have a very good openly gay friend (spokesperson for the company I work for) who also knew my husband. When all of this hit the fan I accused him of hiding the circumstances from me. He swears that he never knew this other side of my husband. So I guess his involvement in an underground community was even more closet than just being gay.
  • Mizy's avatar Mizy wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:05 PM

    PART TWO: My Bf is very much BISEXUAL and I couldnt imagine him trying to live a lie for the rest of his life trying to pretend to be straight for me or society!!! Only to live a life without total happiness or worse to get his fullfillment behind my back and putting me at some health risk without me knowing it!!! Maybe more men would be open to the thought of being BI as well if we were more accepting and not putting the pressure on people to be gay or straight!! Sure not everyone is open to the idea of a semi open relationship but a man might not leave a relationship of 20 years with a women who he is very much in love with and attracted to!!! if he didnt feel so deprived and like he should spend the next 20 with a man. If he could have both needs met he wouldnt feel soooo lost. Sure this is sooooo easy for all the BIWOMEN out there that know its easy to find a man accepting of her needs of both sexes because its "hot for a women to be bi" but no one has stopped to think how hard it is for a man to be BI in todays society!!! NOBODY gets it cause NOBODY even wants to take the time to understand!!!!!!!!!! I feel so bad for all the men out there struggling with gay or bi issues!! My heart goes out to you and your long hard raod to finding happiness!!! xoxoxo
  • Mizy's avatar Mizy wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:11 PM

    PART THREE: Oh and to the women who made this comment "I can honestly say to any woman who has interest in a guy who is Bi or Gay and "dreams" that she can "change him"...I say to her: RUN. Run for your life and have NOTHING to do with a man like that other then being friends/acquaintances. A man who likes to put you know what you know where...is NOT a man." YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!! YOUR THE REASON ITS SO HARD FOR THESE MEN!!!
  • -Babygurl-'s avatar -Babygurl- wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:15 PM

    I cant understand how so many of you are refusing to see both sides. It isnt all one persons fault no matter how much it seems that way. To be gay is not a phase, or a style, it's an instinct, a way of life. Many animals are gay, or even A-sexual. Did we not evolve from animals? A lot missed the point of this story, and just think it's about all the wrong this gay man did. Yes it's true they have a right to be worried about being ostracized and exiled for being gay, but at the same time not. This new age world is a lot more accepting of homosexuals than before. Yes there are still a few who are not, but I mean there are open not hidden gay bars all over the world. We dont hear in all the news about how this person was beat up outside this gay bar or shot, killed you name it, in a hate crime. A lot of men dont deceive to purposely hurt whoever it is theyre using to help make themselves believe theyre heterosexual.
  • -Babygurl-'s avatar -Babygurl- wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:16 PM

    Its also not just men, there is just as many women doing it, unfortunately I find women tend to be more open to loving both sides, gay or hetero. Simply because more men get caught at it or come out about it doesnt mean women arent doing it too. Just because this man stuck around for that many years did not mean he didnt share all the feelings she did. He probably did, because as she said it wasnt the whole relationship he was put back, it showed recently. I dont think most gay people are hiding from the world, but from their families. A lot of the old beliefs have been bred into our families, which is passed down or shown in wrong ways growing up, giving us the idea that are parents arent accepting of us if we're gay.
  • -Babygurl-'s avatar -Babygurl- wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:17 PM

    What the man did caused a lot of pain, but not because he was gay, because he deceived. Also a lot of gays dont realize theyre gay until later in life, so he may have actually been hetero to begin with and somewhere a long the line changed his mind. And it's true that yes, some do deliberately deceive not to help themselves believe they arent gay, but because they know they are and dont want anyone to find out. Those would be the ones who have affair after affair throughout the relationship knowing theyre gay. To speak up in here and say that someone is ignorant, uneducated, blind, petty, makes you yourself those things. If you cant have a conversation with out calling somebody all those things because of their beliefs makes you no better. Maybe that person is a lot more educated on it than you think, but took their education a different way than you. nobody has stated their age, so for all you know they come from a different generation than you, therefore their knowledge was learned in a different time, so that knowledge learned then was correct in that society. It doesnt excuse them from not more actively looking in to it before they speak but that doesnt make it wrong either. And to actively point out that you yourself are gay, then accusing a hetero of being wrong, doesnt make them think different, I believe it would make them think even more that theyre correct, because youre gay.
  • Mrell's avatar Mrell wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:17 PM

    Paul A....whatever to your statistics If you are unsure don't get married...thats all!!! Have you ever been hurt in this type of relationship? or experiences anything like this? If your unexperienced why are you getting married in the first place. What are YOU saying?....you have to be married to be happy? Is that what you are saying? If you are not married you are sad and lonely? whatever. Marriage does not bring happiness, being with the right person brings happiness married or not!
  • -Babygurl-'s avatar -Babygurl- wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:17 PM

    Same goes for the heterosexuals doing it to the homosexuals. And this whole STD trip everyone is going on and saying gay people gay people, no not gay people. Everyone carries it, not just gays, not just men. Women, men, gay and straight. like did you know :The incidence of genital warts annually in USA is around one million cases. The incidence rate is estimated to be approximately one in 272, which roughly works out to about 0.37% of the population. The incidence extrapolations in USA for genital warts has been estimated at 1,000,000 per year, 83,333 per month, 19,230 per week, 2,739 per day, 114 per hour and 1 per minute, as per official statistics. Thats only whats been reported. Just because you think you dont have anything isnt true, genital warts may not ever show up, but that doesnt mean youre not carrying it and spreading it. (This is just an example).
  • -Babygurl-'s avatar -Babygurl- wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:17 PM

    Everyone needs to stop looking at each other and saying this person is right and that ones wrong. They arent its their opinions, your opinon cant be wrong. Maybe theyre thinking a lot more irrationaly about it because what happened to them was more hurtful to them than it may have been to another. We all handle things differently, maybe when they are able to heal from that pain they'll see both sides, but trying to force someone to think otherwhise because your gay/straight and you "know different" than them wont work. Just because a gay person did you wrong doesnt mean all are like that. Cheating is cheating whether it was a gay relationship or not it hurts just the same. Just like being left for another person hurts just the same, whether its for a hetero relationship or homosexual one. What upsets me most about this is I am only 21, and I see people calling themselves open-minded, but these same people are not people speaking from both sides, just their own.
  • matta's avatar matta wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:36 PM

    Reply to 'Countrified'. Your good friend who is 'out' & a spokesperson for your company probably hasn't got a clue about an 'gay underground community', because he's leading his life as an open honest member of the community. Gaydar just gives you a feeling a better feeling about a guy, that for some reason heterosexual women just don't have. I'm thinking it's an emotional / mothering thing that must make women so blind to a man being gay. Your friend could have probably given you help if you asked him 'before' you married your gay ex (unless he's secretly doesn't like you), but right now he doesn't want to get mixed up in your mangled mess. But why should he, he's a successful guy trying to get ahead of a bunch of hetro-jack*sses, who would cut his throat the first chance they could get. There are lots of people I've worked with in the past, who (if they had asked) I could have told them "listen, he's gayer than a pink cadillac being driven by Boy George", but women tend to go to la-la land when it comes to men and usually don't want to hear the truth until it's too late. If it was a good friend of mine (as I related in my previous story) I wouldn't wait, I'd say "listen lady, suck it up because he's not the guy for you". Someone on this site should just give me my own online column and y'all can write in to me and I'll let you know how gay your husband / boyfriend is ... I'll call the column "What's a Matta You?"
  • KJIII's avatar KJIII wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:38 PM

    what's really disappointing about this thread, is that some think it is ok to deceive a woman. They write, "I tried to love her", or it killed me inside", or I am trying to be the best I can" This goes to morals that some *don't* have. They are in denial for whatever politicization of the issue they see fit. What they don't get is that they are *not* honest people. Period. I know it hasn't ever happened to me. But here is a clue for many who try to justify it. **I wouldn't want it to happen to me** I hope that simple statement wakes up those who want to find some acceptable loop hole in simple moral social relations.
  • Greynam's avatar Greynam wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:40 PM

    I think maybe people are forgetting the basic fact. We are all humans, we change and grow daily. What I know and feel today may not be the same as what I know and feel tomorrow. Lets be completely honest, society does play a role, how we are raised does play a role, I don't think any man, gay or not, goes into a relationship so blinding giving up 10 - 20 years of his life and happiness just to hurt someone else. That man goes into the relationship/marriage with a hope that life will treat them both right and that with time. love and effort the marriage will bloom and any doubts he has will pass. Unfortunately, life happens...housing commitments are made, children are born, retirements are planned, before he or she realizes it, life is half over.
  • Greynam's avatar Greynam wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:41 PM

    They've spent 20 years playing a roll the once hoped would feel a little more comfortable some day...when they realize "some day" is now or never. They make the admission to themselves and their loved ones and they salvage the rest of their lives. There is no doubt people are hurt, wives distrust, children are confused. Don't get me wrong I do feel for these people - but my belief is that the majority of these situations are not pre-planned. Personally, could I forgive and remain friends - no probably not - I have a hard time forgiving any white lie...it's just me. Do I think some of these friendships could be saved - for sure, but only if both parties are willingly to put the effort in - and I don't think anyone (even people who have gone through similar situations) have the right to judge anyone for trying or for realizing that it's just too much for them and walking away.
  • TedLHampton's avatar TedLHampton wrote:

    2009-03-12 3:45 PM

    Missing here is a sense that women, themselves, might have failed some. It is too easy and Oprah-like to blame everything on one thing, we need to hear complaints from both partners. Women and men can both fail in partnerships. If my wife blamed me, how can we explain her unhappy relationships with four other non-gay men? I did my best for seventeen years, she suddenly left. It has become obvious that emptiness and inability were the problem, not that slice of me that is gay. I had explored and dismissed that result from brother abuse, and earlier I even overcame my mother’s rejection. We lived together three years before having children to ensure that we would succeed, then we were happy for 10-12 years, I was never unfaithful. She never offered a word of admiration or caring, would go to no trouble to make sex loving, I wanted more but did not ask for it. I do not know if the lesbian woman, to whom she eventually turned, gave her satisfaction. She could never admit a fault, say thank-you or sorry. I did not run from or stop loving her, and I found ways to support our three children, 6, 9, and 12, at both houses, still do. Perspectives change with time. Let us not be too ready to blame, let us be prudent and kind before rushing to judgement. Let us own up to who we are, what our faults are, and let us continue to give support to our partners, not drive them away, especially where great sacrifices and children are concerned.
  • IrmaF's avatar IrmaF wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:09 PM

    Gerty, you are a strong woman and my heart goes out to you after reading your story. It sounds like your ex-husband was wonderful to you and your family while you were together. I hope you can find the courage to remember all the good times without feeling a sting. It is truly unfortunate that things such as these have to come to an end. On the other hand, I am happy that John is living with his reality now and is proud of it. We have shunned unfamiliar behaviour and outcast people for too long... Stay strong, and do as you do - take care of yourself and make yourself better... for yourself and your children. :)
  • sapenticost's avatar sapenticost wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:17 PM

    The death of a relationship for any reason would make a person to go into crisis mode, self doubt and, to then with anger point the finger. Yes the tragedy of Gerty's relationship and how it ended was heart breaking. I wish nothing but, warm loving arms for couples of any kind that go through this situation. I'm not a religious person. So to self righteously throw barbs and accusations is non-productive and only perpetuates the length of time it takes to heal. Living a lie is never a good thing to do in any relationship. BUT... How many of us out there, have the conviction to be truly honest? I ask you all. How many of us hide the truth, as a way to self preserve and secondly not hurt the other person? It's never easy to walk away for a long live relationship, when you are so invested but, crisis happens in all our lives, things change in an instant. I would like to think, in someway we grow and get past it. (The death of a relationship, partner, spouse, parent or child)
  • sapenticost's avatar sapenticost wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:18 PM

    PART 2...I feel for you Enraged, not for your anger and, ability to point the finger and hate but, for your overwhelming hurt! I have worked in health care for many years. For anyone to hold on to hate and hurt like you have, will only turn inward physically and cause you more problems. I respectfully suggest you get some professional help to work through your situation and broken heart! As for Gerty, you got it right. Time does heal all wounds. Like the old saying, "That what tries to kill us, only makes us stronger", has its own truth. For all the women and men in relationships that have fallen apart because, of their spouses realizing the truth and, having to conviction to now live the truth don't hate. Don't blame. Look inward for strength, understanding and love that life is a struggle. Look forward to the future, not the immediate future! Know that the old self doubt of, " How can I compete." Has nothing to do with anything. Know in yourself that you didn't cause this and know in the other person that you loved in the first place, that this situation was a huge self doubting struggle.
  • Blackswan's avatar Blackswan wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:27 PM

    Recently I stumbbled upon my boyfriends(of one year) hidden websites where he would go to meet men. He told me from the beginning that he was Bi, and I believe him when he says that he's happier than he's ever been with me and that he has never nor does he ever want to persue a relationship with a man, and that those websites were only to meet friends like gym buddies. But why would he hide? I felt a part of me die that day and I began to worry about what will happen in the future, I still worry. Warning flag for me though is that both of his parents feel like gay people are wrong in the head and have some sort of imbalance to make them act that way. It would break him if they found out... so is that why he chose a woman? When his other relationships with women were bad and he cheated on them with men for gratification, one night stand sort of things. I believe him when he tells me he loves me and that he wants to marry me... But will I end up like others? After 20 years of wonderfull marriage will he decide that he misses men? I'm still worried about it, and I don't know what to do. Not that I'm looking for advice, I'm just scared and needed to get it vocal.
  • sapenticost's avatar sapenticost wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:28 PM

    To the moderators of this article...BRAVO or BRAVA. Hopefully this will make people think twice and, have the ability to be brave! For the women and the men that are hurt, the ablility to heal. And... For the people that want to continue to hold on the the hurt and hate... You will never change, you will never learn to heal and you didn't realize or, have the conviction that your essence is to strike and, hurt back and HATE!
  • Enraged's avatar Enraged wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:30 PM

    Ability to hold on to anger? I have just found out. OF COURSE I AM ANGRY!
  • champwithin's avatar champwithin wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:31 PM

    I am a middle aged man, single, a Christian believer, and I have gay tendencies. I do not like having these feelings, my desire is to find a wife and marry and have a family. I believe the biblical statement that acting upon my feelings is a sin, and that these feelings are a manipulation of the natural inclination of what God put into me as a man. I do not want to cause the grief to any woman that I am reading of here. I am currently counseling with a professional counselor who had gay tendencies from his teen years, still married a woman, had 3 children and after 20 years she found out he was gay, as is described here. However, his wife said that if he was still choosing to be committed to her, she would treat the situation as if he had cheated with a woman. He agreed,and they found a counselor, who worked with each of them individually and collectively and included counseling sessions with the teenage children. They worked with this counselor for 3 years. This included involving close friends of the man to act as accountability partners that would network with the wife. Included with the problems in the marriage was a gay pornography addiction. It has now been 10 years since the counseling finished and the man and his wife both say their marriage is stronger then ever, that God has played the main part in bringing them back together. They say they have learned more about each other and coming through all this has made them stronger.
  • Jen Murray's avatar Jen Murray wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:34 PM

    EDITOR'S NOTE: On behalf of everyone here at More.ca, I'd like to thank everyone for participating in this incredible discussion. This is a difficult and contentious issue; as such, we are now closing the comments. Feel free to continue the discussion in a respectful manner in our forums, or write a view from her to share your view point/situation.
  • Lorelei2121's avatar Lorelei2121 wrote:

    2009-03-12 4:40 PM

    Is the general concensus here that it is worse when a man leaves his wife because he's gay, or when a man leaves for another woman? Because I'm sensing the former to be true. That is interesting. Logically, it should not matter what the deception was, simply the act of being cheated on is bad enough. Over the last 15 years, I've dated two different men whose wives left them for other women, and they were both deeply and severely scarred by this. I'd estimate the emotional wounds were much deeper than if their wives had left them for another guy. It seemed to call their manliness into question. I'm intrigued by that. Because on some level, I feel it shouldn't matter. But obviously it does. What do other people think?
  • champwithin's avatar champwithin wrote:

    2009-03-12 5:02 PM

    The wife does say it has taken time to let go of the feelings of anger and go through the process of grieving how she was betrayed, but she is glad now she choose to do so. In the 2 years now that I have been counseling with this man, I have learned that part of my gay feelings represent the unmet needs that were not fulfilled for me as a result of the absence of a father son relationship in my life. My father left my life when I was very young. I find I have very good friendships with woman, but my feelings towards men are sexualized because those emotional bonding needs that should have been fulfilled through a relationship with my father are still crying out, and have become sexualized. Coming to understand this, along with realizing, that God is my source of strength, I am being able to make changes in my life, with my own battle with gay pornography, to remove this from my life. The counseling has also taught me about other areas of my life, and understanding the importance of accepting help from those in my immediate social community, and how important this is for both physical and emotional good health. If I do start a relationship with a woman, I will share my problems with her before letting anything serious develop, as I, again do not want to cause any woman grief as is been described here. I believe, with Gods help, I will be able to make a womans life all it can be and more.
  • lostbutfound's avatar lostbutfound wrote:

    2009-03-12 5:02 PM

    To Lorelei2121 my wife said that she would have been better if I had left her for another woman. She could compete with that and justify why I would leave her ...the fact that I am leaving the marriage because I am gay is a totally different arena. As I have stated in previous notes I have not been with a man yet so I have not cheated on her. But the fact is still that I am leaving because of same sex attraction. You can not compete with a different sex. It all comes down to the death of a relationship no matter if it is with opposite or same sex.
  • Blackswan's avatar Blackswan wrote:

    2009-03-12 5:10 PM

    From the very beginning my boyfriend told me he is Bi. We've been dating now for a year and I believe him when he tells me that he loves me. But when I stumbled upon websites intended for meeting men it broke my heart and I didn't know what to think. I confronted him about them and he told me that he was only using the sites to find friends. I felt betrayed because if he was only looking for friends why couldn't he have let me in? So many of his friends are gay and he knows that doesn't bother me. It all seemed so suspisious. He swears that he didn't want to hurt me and those websites are gone now... but the trust still struggles. In past relationships with women they all went sour because the women felt they weren't good enough for him anymore, there was just no intimacy and he ended up cheating on them with guys for gratification, one night stands sort of thing, hence the sites. It doesn't help that his parents are of the belief that people who are gay are wrong in the head. This in itself raises a red flag for me that he is choosing a woman so he can hide behind that veil. He's told me that he's never wanted a relationship with a man nor does he ever, but can I fully trust him? Or will I end up like so many who've spoken before me? I'm not looking for advice, I just more need to voice what I've been keeping inside for months now. This is hard and sometimes I just don't know what to do.
  • Mystified's avatar Mystified wrote:

    2009-03-12 5:42 PM

    This is a really sad story and I am happy to see the writer is pampering and taking care of herself and that she has the support of family and friends. It is not great being lied to especially for so many years. I was lied to in my previous relationship and I can honestly say that it was a painful process of healing that I had to go through. I don’t see this as a gay issue, but an article regarding being hurt by someone you loved for so many years. After reading Pitchertaker and Paul A posts, I can now understand why more sites like www.stressxpress.com are needed and extremely helpful in such situations. Pitchertaker you need to talk to people who have gone through the same things you have and that understand where your grief is coming from. I hope your healing process is a short and successful one. I totally get it that it is difficult being gay in this world so that is why I am not sure why anyone would want to compound that difficulty by marrying and lying to their wives and bringing children in this world and lying to their children as to who they are. Obviously not the smartest and most selfless thing anyone going through difficulty times and trying to come to grips with who they are could do. Everyone goes through difficult times in life; it is never an excuse to hurt anyone or try to manipulate anyone else’s life so that you can look good. That is just wrong!
  • charmhan's avatar charmhan wrote:

    2009-03-12 5:54 PM

    I am sad that as a people living in a "free" society, there is still a tendency for us to hide our "realness." This is a true reality of how judgemental a group we are. I hope that both individuals along with the children can heal and grow together knowing that love, understanding and forgiveness transcend all.
  • singsing's avatar singsing wrote:

    2009-03-12 5:56 PM

    unfortunately, i too have gone through this. after 15 years, he tells me he is gay but "loves me". how can he lie to me for so many years and share his bed. i cannot comprise my sons' childhood, and wait for him while goes to find himself every other weekend. i am only waiting for my boys to be old enough so i can leave.
  • Mscott09's avatar Mscott09 wrote:

    2009-03-12 5:57 PM

    it sounds to me like some of these ladies are very very HOMOPHOBIC against Gay men and i think that is appauling
  • krashteste's avatar krashteste wrote:

    2009-03-12 5:59 PM

    ps-there is nothing wrong with being gay, let me make that clear. I live in a major metropolitan area that is completely open and I have several gay friends. However, I don't like to see people deny their own sexuality and while observing foolish spouses who think they are being themselves.
  • Spookypig's avatar Spookypig wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:00 PM

    ... and I wish you all that YOU deserve krashteste. Have a nice day.
  • krashteste's avatar krashteste wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:01 PM

    [Editor's note: Don't call each other names] No man is BI. If they are, they are simply confused or lying and sooner or later, they will realize that they are gay.
  • singsing's avatar singsing wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:01 PM

    sorry to hear krashteste is unsympathetic. you may be mistaking trusting as naive ignorant. i was neither naive or ignorant. i trusted my husband, and expected the same in return. no woman "deserves" this. your comment unfortunately shows how much you actually understand.
  • krashteste's avatar krashteste wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:03 PM

    I understand enough to realize the truth! TWICE I have encountered this situation, ONCE we even had an intervention while the spouse was in complete denial. We freed TWO men, and saved years of heartache!
  • singsing's avatar singsing wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:06 PM

    i don't think we are homoophobic, just that the husbands should come out and admit who they are and not hide behind our skirts, trying to be normal. i DON'T have a problem with gay men. i don't think i could be anymore undertanding than this. i just hate having been lied to.
  • krystallyn's avatar krystallyn wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:14 PM

    Gerty - you and your children are in my thoughts - I wish the best for all of you.
  • Spookypig's avatar Spookypig wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:15 PM

    Either you have a stutter krashteste, or you are repeating yourself.
  • MelanieKeyte's avatar MelanieKeyte wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:19 PM

    I like this story and that the husband was able to finally come to terms with his personal truth. He gave 21 years of being a good husband and father and it's nice that she is able to still be his best friend. Now if only my husband would own up and realize that I will still be his friend too.
  • krashteste's avatar krashteste wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:22 PM

    @Spookypig. ya i know, I simply refresh the page and it seems to repost my comment for whatever reason.
  • Markus's avatar Markus wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:24 PM

    My heart goes out to this woman whop found out her husband had lived a lie, and was gay. I am a gay male, who know of a few married men. If I am approached for sex by a married man, I tell them piont blank GET LOST! I had a horrible experience with a married man about 12 years ago. This man lives off his wife, he told me he hated her, she is a nurse and when she worked her 12 hour shifts of 4 and 4 he was happy cause he would not have to see her. He is on many Gay Sex sites... he is a very evil man. This type of behaviour that a man can subject a woman to is awful. As I said my heart gopes out to any woman who is lied to by there partner about thier sexuality.
  • STFU's avatar STFU wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:47 PM

    ops sry for that extra posts one more thing i feel bad for this person hmph no one should go through that...
  • shineboy_'s avatar shineboy_ wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:48 PM

    As a gay man, I find many of the posts here sad yet inspirational. I strongly believe that in today's Western & democratic society the issue of being gay shouldn't be an end all be all affair. It's one thing to live a lie and supress your true feelings, but to bring pain and hardship to others is complete and utter selfishness. You are what you are! Marriage and having children will not change the true nature of your sexuality. Be a man about it and respect the person you are with by coming out. No one likes being rejected, but to go on living a love-less and sex-less relationship for years is by far worse.
  • DoogieSA's avatar DoogieSA wrote:

    2009-03-12 6:57 PM

    How's this for a change? Imaging your husband comes home one day after work after twenty years of marriage and says.. "I've been cheating on your for the last 20 years, and I can't deal with the guilt, so I'm leaving you". This is what happened to my mom. As for the husband and hiding his sexuality. It took me 4 years as a single gay man to come to terms with the fact that me being gay is OK. It took me another 3 years to actually come out and tell my mom, (my brother maintains that "no brother of mine could possibly be gay". If I feel that i'm under that kind of pressure, in the 90's, I can't imagine how someone would deal with it in previous years. It sucks that people feel they have to hide who they are, but until you have experienced being persecuted for who you are, you can't understand. Brokeback Mountain is pretty accurate in what the consequences could be back then. It's a shame that the friendship wasn't able to endure, but this is my personal opinion on falling/being in love. Falling is love is instantaneous, it's that spark that makes you want to be with that person. However, it take two people to nurture and maintain it and help it to grow. If both parties aren't willing to put in the effort, then it's best to call it a day and make things as amicable as possible.
  • ms louie's avatar ms louie wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:31 PM

    I feel bad for these women, but as we all contribute to this scenario it is all our fault. We make is so impossibble for someone to be truly themselves. Many of us claim to be Christian, but are indeed the most judgemental, and in the most un-Christ-like fashion we set guys like this up to live a lie. If we realized this is genetic and, like eye colour or skin colo9ur, cannot be changed, that there will be all shades of the rainbow of sexuality, if we accepted a person based on their merits of character and showed value on things like integrity and honesty and celebrated our diferences rather than our ability to conform we would never put someone into a position where they feel they have to go to such great lengths as to lie. So for the women who were used, well, look around at all those around you, from school, your neighbourhood, your extended family, your cousins, your children even....someone is still living a lie because you make them do it still, and many of those around you help it happen as well. I feel bad for the guys who have to fake a life to save their skin. What kind of world is this that we allow this to happen at all is sad. A real man will be themselves but it's not easy when your world around you is hostile, and the test of real love in one's life is knowing that love isn't conditional. Ask yourselves: do you really love those in your life to accept them truly as they are, or is it just lip service?
  • ms louie's avatar ms louie wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:40 PM

    What is messed up, STFU, is the narrow minded world that made this guy lie. He deserves forgiveness, and she deserves comfort, but this whole thing wouldn't have happened if people stopped passing judgement, and made it easier to be honest. He did what he had to do to save his life. Imagine (if you are capable) if you had to be someone totally different from who you are and keep it secret so your family would treat you right, so your friends would stay friends, so you could keep your job. You have to be different because if you acted in the open like yourself you could be beaten, killed even. Yup, we say we are all cool about it, but are we? When someone gets called something racist or homophobic, or some fat joke or called trailer trash, do we laugh, or do we step in defend the person? I'll bet you that you want to think you step in, but i bet that you really laugh, especially if your friends are around. That is the world we live in and until people get a backbone and start standing up for truth, kindness and harmony, we all suck.
  • ss30's avatar ss30 wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:43 PM

    part 1 I have found over the years that when I have been on gay dating sites that many married men hit on me. They are always older then I am and say the same things like they can only have a relationship with a woman. But prefer sex with young men like me. I would say I not looking for a quick hook up and wanted a relationship. I would go on to tell them that cheating is despicable. Cheating with another man then going back sleeping with your wife and possibly passing a std on to her should be criminal.
  • ss30's avatar ss30 wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:44 PM

    Part 2 But I know for a fact that society does not really accept gay couples. A co worker at work found out about me and made it is mission in life to tell everyone he could out of over 600 employees. This prevented me from receiving promotions and a friend of his even posted it online where it still can be found today. So after they tried to ruin me publicly and at work I'm now laid off and my very religious ex boss shows no interest in hiring me back. So I can see why they hide the way they do and marry, mind you I would not it's wrong. But try living the life I have and ask yourself would you have the strength to endure such hate and poor treatment? This is a big problem that has always been around and now men are starting to come out and say yes they are gay to their wives. At least they are starting to come out now what they did is wrong. But being backed into a corner by society and religious people who preach hate toward gays is much worse and is responsible for most of the problem. Then there are just selfish men who just are self severing. learn to except your fellow man for who they are then you will see less of this. She did have many great years with this man who struggled with his identity and I don't feel he meant to deceive her but in the end came to realize who he really is and they should try and support each other as their life changes.
  • keller's avatar keller wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:47 PM

    Heterosexual married people fall out of love all of the time and, untimately, divorce. Isn't the divorce rate 60% or something??? I have had friends married for 20 plus years but divorce because one of them has fallen out of love OR has fallen in love with someone else. I don't see any difference between my example and the one in MORE magazine. Sexuality is not always clear cut at an early age....It takes SOME people longer to realize they are gay. I would not be MORE offended if my husband left me for a MAN instead of a WOMAN - it is still an ended marriage left with transition and healing.
  • LF_345's avatar LF_345 wrote:

    2009-03-12 7:57 PM

    I don't mean to offend anyone, but personally feel that this man deserves no sympathy at all. In fact, I hope that karma gets him and 20 years later, the man he left gerty for, tells him that he is straight and has no choice but to opt out of the relationship.
  • My Comment's avatar My Comment wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:09 PM

    Dear Blackswan, I know that you didn't ask for advice,but my aching heart can't help but say something to you. Twelve years into my marriage, my ex confessed his many " casual " infidelities, along with his story about being abused as a young boy. He told me a counsellor had told him once that he wasn't gay, but that the abuse had left him with these tendencies. He wanted to re-enter counselling. His story brought out every once of compassion in me and besides I loved him and marriage was for better or worse and for a life time. The whole story is too long and complicated for posting, but after another 20 yrs, the marriage ended and it had been one long succession of lies. Don't ever believe that someone can't look you straight in the eyes and lie. And to this day, if you asked him, he would not say that he is gay or bi. According to him, I was the problem for the marriage break-up. All through the different marriage counsellors we saw, I kept trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. And I'm sure that he thought and still does that his secret life had nothing to do with it. The last counsellor finally got him to tell me that his " casual encounters " were still going on. (finished on next post)
  • Paul A's avatar Paul A wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:10 PM

    kraskteste: There's no such thing as Bisexual? Any guy who says he's Bi is really gay-and-in-denial? How can you possibly be so ignorant in this day and age?!? Kinsey, Hite and dozens of other sex researchers established - decades ago, mind you - that most humans are fundamentally bisexual to some extent. It's people like you who cause this problem, krashteste, so stand up and say hi to Gerte - I bet she'll really appreciate what you did to her.
  • kami's avatar kami wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:10 PM

    I find this story sad and pretty scary. More than once I have found myself attracted to guys that I later found out were gay. We did not date, but I find it puzzling (and somewhat worrisome) that I keep being attracted to gay men. It seems like a lot of the women who married gay men were too, anybody care to comment about why this might be? (as a side note, I do not hate gay men/women, in fact several of my good friends are gay, it just puzzles me why I am sexually attracted to gay guys)
  • My Comment's avatar My Comment wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:10 PM

    To Blackswan - continued. - I didn't understand, since he had already confessed, why he had continued to hide everything, but he did. I suppose it was shame, but what a total disregard for my feelings and my health and my right to choose to continue. I did not want to be suspicious or hurtful so I tried not to say too much. When I would for whatever reason asking him about it, he told me he still thought about it sometimes, but didn't act on it. I guess I eventually ended up in denial to some degree, but he was a good liar and had lots of opportunity because of his job. When I read what you wrote, I could not help being afraid for you and that's why I'm writing this. I can very much relate to " This is hard and sometimes I just don't know what to do. " I just wanted to give you some " food for thought ". I wish you all the best. And for those who would comment on how stupid I am,don't bother. I tell myself that daily.
  • kami's avatar kami wrote:

    2009-03-12 8:11 PM

    ps: i am a girl, and consider myself heterosexual
  • April88's avatar April88 wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:07 PM

    "I have one question to all the ladies who were married to a gay man. If your husband had been having an affair with another woman and left you for that other woman, would it be easier to accept? Just curious because if he lies about his feelings for you to have sex with another woman, wouldn't that hurt as much or even more?" To answer frankly -- NO, because now you question yourself, and what was "wrong" with you sexually that you attracted a gay partner. The ramifications to you and your children are just mind-blowing. And Mizy, unless you have been there how can you comment that it is not "different" to a straight divorce -- of course it is, it is now a gay-straight divorce
  • iokie's avatar iokie wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:15 PM

    Kami, Perhaps you are attracted to gay men because often they are very gentlemenly, like women, and not sexually demanding of women. Nothing wrong with that...maybe you need to ask them up front...In this day and age, it is appropriate.
  • iokie's avatar iokie wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:23 PM

    Before people go judging the gay guy who pretended for 19 years, imagine his dillemma. Society was so down on gays in the 1980s, one had to pretend, convince themselves, and act like they were straight. They thought that if they pretended enough, they would become straight. That may work for a while when the raging hormones will be satisfied by anything, but after a while, sex becomes work and disgusting for the person. Finally, there come s breaking point and one knows he/she cannot go on anymore as is. As devastating as the writer was, she should be happy that she was only 40 when she got out. Lots of time to find someone new...just make sure you ask next time. There are lots of these unions out there from way back...Many lesbians married gay men...convenient...not sexually demanding from either side. Live platonically forever.. For those who dislike gay and all it represents, think about how your such attitudes might have contributed to this couple's problems.
  • marketingwoman's avatar marketingwoman wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:33 PM

    Reading this heart wrenching account of this woman's life is very sad indeed. I am the mother of a sixteen year old son who has just come out. This has been a challenging time - both for him to have the strength to tell me and for me to learn to accept that his life will be different than I imagined. I am just grateful that our loving relationship has given him the opportunity at this stage of his life to be free to be who he is and not feel the need to hide it - saving himself (and a future partner) from this heartache.
  • espo's avatar espo wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:41 PM

    Ok, let me start with saying that I am a straight 19 year old guy so I might be the furthest person from having this experience or knowing what to do, I can't tell you that I know EXACTLY what you're going through, I can offer a solution though. I made a couple of observations:- you lived in a very functional family, you were happy, his problem was out of your control, (not his problem of being gay but the problem of hiding it from everyone), it also affected his family negatively, all because of his insecurity by the stigma placed upon homosexuality by society. This story should be in support for gay marriage. I don't have time to read all these comments but it looks like this is not uncommon, besides gay marriage = more homes for adopted children, less gay-straight unhappy marriages, more hot older women for young guys, (is it true women reach their sexual peak at 37? Where's the logic in that God?) Happiness increased for everyone. Oh yeah.
  • talie101's avatar talie101 wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:45 PM

    this story is very sad. but the coments afterwards leave alot to be desired, in the world we live in today i think we could find better things to argue about than being gay. we are now in 2009 and some folks have not accepted the reality that we are all different but very alike. it's not to much of a glowing review of human kind when a lady tells us a heartrenching story instead of support we judge who are we trying to help with all this negative? come we are all human are we not the most evolved of all species lets prove and live as one .
  • TedLHampton's avatar TedLHampton wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:48 PM

    A man or a woman can drain a partner, imperceptibly at first, so that one or both are left depleted, emptied, and exhausted, with little choice but to seek an escape of one kind or another, perhaps into a gay life if there is susceptibility to it. Some partners are gluttons who demand to be the only centre of attention and interest; some are critical perfectionists who insist that things can be done only in their way; some are cold thinkers, incapable of warm and supportive emotional response; some dominate and intrude into their partner’s domain like an owner. Moreover, others assert a loyalty to a set of rules (the family of origin, their religion, their job, a mode of child rearing) so that there is no room for a partner's preferences. Men and women assert such destructive styles differently, directly or indirectly, openly or covertly, but ruination of a marriage is the inevitable result. When not solving relationship issues, even sexual issues, together in mutually acceptable and loving ways, spouses can be destroying their partnership without realizing what they are doing. Men or women who have arrived at a happy marriage, do not flee into the gay world as to a paradise, they do so to free themselves from some unresolvable suffering. If only we could recognize who and how we are to others. We could then at least admit our part in a relationship, reach out perhaps, and work to resolve and heal before desperate moves need to be taken.
  • Pandora's avatar Pandora wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:56 PM

    I found this story to be very touching and I pray for all women and men who need to cross this path in life. It bothers me to see some people on this post become evil and angry, as we forget about the womans emotional story and start nagging at eachother. My close friend was deserted by a gay man (meaning he just up and left and never called). Watching her cry everyday at work upset me, and taught me alot I did not know. My friend took part within the gay community and since this incidence, she has developed a slight grugde against gay men because her heart was broken by one. Though we should not judge or catogize,it was hard for her not to. Society has a significant impact on the gay community by making it so hard for them to come clean but many of the supporters of the gay and lesbian community are straight women. My friend had a positive attitude towards gay men (even took part in parades for them), but after getting stabbed in the back, its hard for her to support them based on her personal situation. Many women have been hurt from gay men living a lie and this could possibly make gayness seen as bad because it has hurt so many.
  • Pandora's avatar Pandora wrote:

    2009-03-12 9:57 PM

    CONT... In regards to Biffy's comments, It really upset me to see those types of attitudes towards women when it is majority of men that condem homosexuality, not so much women. We live in a patriarchial society (meaning to power lies mostly within men and has throughout most of history), so men have had more impact on sterotypes than women. For example, it is not women who condemn men for crying, it is men who do. Men feel more comfortable crying in front of women than men. Everyone can make their own judgement based on personal experience, but to stop the hatred in society, it should start with you (especially Biffy)--you do not want hatred in the world but yet display it fluently in your posts. Your anger towards women upsets me, and also gives me a slight grudge towards gay men, but I pray they are not all like you. Thank you God Bless
  • talie101's avatar talie101 wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:01 PM

    why can we not accept the world we live in and forgive the world we used to live in.im a mom and im raising my children that love is love, no matter what you follow your heart. i want all judgement to end its not fair cause no one is perfect. its not ok to lie but have we not all lied once and i could go on, but we get the drift.this story was not written to bash anyone unfortunatly most of these coments are doing just that. this lady is strong, beautiful,caring and a very good mother. my heart goes out to you. im very moved by your story you are a great woman.
  • Spongie's avatar Spongie wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:15 PM

    I have read all of these stoies and it is a truely tragic event. BTW I love all of the posts. I have had a family member that faced the same story. Thankfully the relationship had no children and lasted only a few years, but the damage in trust was still done. (He straight, her gay, she left him for another woman). And yes I will answer that a gay divide is much more painful than a staight divide. Because in a straight divorce you think if only you could change something on the outside it might have been different. But, a mate rejecting you because of what you are in the core (your very being) that is very different and hits much harder. Lets face it when you enter a hetero relationship and you are a homo person you are lying. Before you pop the question "will you marry me" you should be saying "this is who I am, will you accept me". Many betrayals can be averted if the parnters know up front what they are about to enter. And at the very least the other parner can have a choice.
  • mypersona's avatar mypersona wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:21 PM

    It's sad how many lives have been destroyed because of this personal struggle to come to terms with who one is. Like many on here, it's my story also. I was left with two young kids after 12 years of marriage while my then husband embraced his desire to be true to himself. It left me shattered and devastated. After a lot of sadness, a lot of tears and a whole lot of soul searching, I realized this was not my issue, but his and his alone. I guess after all those years together, I was a security blanket that was no longer needed once society became more accepting . I can't speak for him or any other person who has left their spouse after many years of marriage, who has willingly brought children into this world, only to walk away because it no longer suits their purpose. It is important to be true to yourself, but it is more important to live up to your responsibilities in this world especially when it involves kids. All I can say is thank goodness that I was able to get my act together and raise my children alone, without this drama having a negative impact on their lives or mine. I say be proud of who you are, be gay, be straight, but be a good person and don't leave behind so much destruction that other people have to pay the price for your choices.
  • ShaneInAlberta's avatar ShaneInAlberta wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:25 PM

    I am a 25 yr old straight male who really was intrigued by this article... I wish you ladies and gentleman who were/are betrayed, always only the best("semper solum optimum"). PS: any women contract HIV/AIDS from this type of situation Shane in Alberta
  • confusedmom's avatar confusedmom wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:26 PM

    I've read all the posts. I need some help. I am married to a man I love with all my heart. Our marriage has been a disaster. From the beginning I caught him in lies about things he was doing online in chatrooms or on gay and straight websites. He wanted us to have threesomes with woman and then that changed to men. This part went on for a couple of years until he told me he was bi and he went on to have sex with men. He then came to me and told me that he wasn't gay or bi but a sex addict. He wants to get help and work things out. I'm confused and he's no help in answering my questions. Can anyone help me?
  • BonnieKaye's avatar BonnieKaye wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:32 PM

    My name is Bonnie Kaye. I have an expert counselor and author in the field of straight/gay marriages. Over the past 30 years, I have worked with over 40,000 women who have found themselves in this situation. The important thing to know is that these marriages are destructive to both parties, especially the women who sacrafice years of their lives that can never be given back. These years are debilitating to your self esteem and sexual esteem. As long as you feel hopeless,you will feel helpless. Please feel free to write to me for my free monthly newsletters and my free online support chat. If you are looking to take back your life, I'm here to help you. With hope for a better future, Bonnie Kaye, M.Ed. www.Gayhusbands.com Bonkaye@aol.com
  • taconicbear's avatar taconicbear wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:34 PM

    Confusedmom, you can get help at a Yahoo group called AlternatePath. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepath It is designed to support women married to gay and bi men.
  • taconicbear's avatar taconicbear wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:37 PM

    Like canuckguy (11:23AM today) I am a married gay man, only we've been married for 45 of the 51 years we've been together. Like his, my wife chose to honour our love, commitment, and all the good things of our life together. It has been seven years since I came out and six years since my male partner has been a welcome member of our family. == There has been a pervasive assumption in many comments suggesting that "these men" knew all along, or that they married "anyway" intending to deceive. Sorry, for many guys in my generation "gay" wasn't even in the lexicon. Many, myself included, had no idea what it was, what it meant, no framework in which to recognize or evaluate the feelings we might have had. Many of us were the product of Depression Era parents, or WWII baby boomers, born into a society driven by the vision of hard work, 2.3 children, white picket fence, and the "Canadian/American Dream." There just wasn't much room for diversity.
  • taconicbear's avatar taconicbear wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:38 PM

    Until 1987 homosexuality was still a medical diagnosis of disease; we all know that even when the medical and psychological community removes the diagnosis society (especially with the help of some churches) has a hard time forgetting. Is it any wonder that many men go underground when they discover or identify their true sexuality? And given that it was a disease, logically it could be cured. Some men did marry looking for that cure; some women accepted them feeling that they could cure their husbands. As the professionals declared in 1987, that was a vacant hope.
  • taconicbear's avatar taconicbear wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:39 PM

    For the last ten years I have been active in support groups for men who find themselves married and having difficulty repressing their true sexuality. I've known the stories of thousands of these men. Almost without exception the strongest statement in their first encounter with us includes a statement "I don't want to hurt my wife and family". They then describe how living either a dual life, or one of celibacy and suppression is destroying them, sending many into deep depression. And yes we have lost more than a handful to suicide. == There's enough variation in the people in this world that I'm quite sure there are a very few guys who head into marriage with deceit in mind; very few. Ignorance, unawareness, hope, and even love are far more common. == For women there is an excellent support group; it is AlternatePath a Yahoo group.
  • Spongie's avatar Spongie wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:40 PM

    Sorry for the second post but apparently when you refresh while still logged in you post twice. So if you still want to follow the thread log out first, thanx.
  • Time will tell's avatar Time will tell wrote:

    2009-03-12 10:49 PM

    Very interesting comments. I have had the unfortunate experience of being married to a gay man, who used me as a prop or coverup to delude his religious family. I knew that something was up when it took 2 years to consumate the marriage. We had been together once prior to the marriage and have a beautiful daughter. He found it necessary to live us in a separate location and during one of those visits, my son was conceived. It was an odd marriage. It is hard for some to get past the feelings of self destruction and try to fix what is wrong to remedy the situation and try to become more attractive to our husbands. Realizing that the problem does not lie with ourselves is the hardest step. When he told me that he had gay tendancies, I was shocked but then accepted the fact and feel better that I didn't do anything wrong. I left him to go on with his life and have raised our children alone. Eleven years later I found myself married again. Yes a platonic marriage to a straight man with no desire for any intimate relationship starting just two weeks after the marriage. I have found that raising his children as teens and mine to be a very rewarding experience. Hopefully things may change for the better in the future. I pray to God for the affection that I have always wanted. Until then each day is greeted with a silver lining in every cloud. sincerely, Time will tell
  • jaya's avatar jaya wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:08 PM

    There are some really interesting perspectives on here that have really opened up my eyes on this topic. I think I'm gay...well I pretty much know I am, I'm at the point of "coming out to myself." As each day goes by, I learn to accept who I am and am building up the courage to come out to close friends and family. I've been becoming more open with my personality recently, giving hints to my sexuallity the more I accept who I am. I am posting because up until even a year ago (I'm 18 by the way), I did have the dream of finding THE girl for me and have the family that everyone dreams of...in order for me to feel fulfilled and fit into society's vision of the ideal life. If I was not surrounded by such an accepting family and great friends, I feel as though I would go on to marry a girl friend and find myself in a situation these couples face many years into their lives. I used to wish constantly growing up, for some cure to "fix" me into becoming "normal." And this is in today's society which is more accepting of gays than in the past. I can see how men are now commonly coming out now to their families since 'back in the day,' being gay was not nearly as accepted as it is now.
  • jaya's avatar jaya wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:08 PM

    Sidenote: To whoever said whatever about God and Jesus and love (said MUCH more articulately), props to you, because that is how everyone should live....the love of my family and friends will let me accept and embrace who I am. Their love has also shut down many the sucide thoughts that I and many other closeted teens have thought through their teen years.
  • heno78's avatar heno78 wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:10 PM

    You had highlited a lot of facts, and the one that gave it away was "John was an attentive husband ", there is no such thing as that. They mastered the "nod and smile". I am so sorry to hear about that but I would rather hear it is another man than another woman, cause I don't thing I can fathem that. Good luck and look out for yourself you are a brave woman. take care
  • jay604's avatar jay604 wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:10 PM

    I just came across the piece and have read most of the responses. It is apparent that most of the women and men who wrote their remarks in here have shown some intelligence, compassion and empathy. On the other hand, some have shown great degrees of ignorance, intolerance and bias. I can only say, based on what I have read, that it would be difficult for anyone gay or straight, woman or man) to stay with the same person and have an intimate relationship for as long as 12 or 20 years without love. Love exist in these relationships, no matter how badly it has ended, or whether years later, the wife or husband comes to terms with his sexually and decide to be open about it.
  • jay604's avatar jay604 wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:11 PM

    Some gay men and women, who at an early age may have some inkling who they are, but society, family values and organized religion all play a significant influence with the way people view themselves and the world. In some cases, gay men and women, with all of the underlying influences may repress their own feelings and can come to convince that they are not who they initially thought they are. These men and women try to blend with the Hetero world, marry and have children, only to realize after 10 or 20 years, who they really are. Acceptance of one's identity or gender can either happen at a young age or age 100. It all depends where you were born, the values family espouses, etc. I believe that we can become more of a compassionate society if we dig deeper and discover what people are made off before we pass judgment and pronounce condemnation. We are, after all, the most intelligent and more compassionate species that exist in this planet. Let us use some of that intelligence and compassion. This is not to trivialized the hurt these women and men have gone through or going through as those hurts are real. And to those men and women who have demonstrated love and understanding, BRAVO!!! I hope there are more of you out there.
  • sandy1957's avatar sandy1957 wrote:

    2009-03-12 11:12 PM

    Dear confusedmom - if you live in Toronto there is a self help group for the 'straight spouse" visit www.straight-forward.ca for more information. I, too, am a straight spouse, my husband came out to me 9 years ago and we stayed together to raise the children in a stable home - it has been very difficult and I do not know if I would suggest it to other families - each family has to figure out what to do on their own - My husband and I are now divorced but still living in the same house until we can financially separate and live in two separate houses. There are many resources to contact. www.straightspouse.org is another website based in the United States and they may have help for you too.
  • 1d2n's avatar 1d2n wrote:

    2009-03-13 12:05 AM

    Men who are gay should not hide their sexual identity, even if society has it's ignorant views. They should be at least honest about who they are, Instead of living an undercover life. Like many of the women above mentioned about husbands who hid from them for 10-20 years, imagine what emotional torment they must have gone through after they found out. And Feeling of abandonment and betrayal plays a big part. Yes I can understand when gay men or women say that society won't accept them, we live in an oppressive society, but the fact that honesty and trust is most important thing in a marriage. It shouldn't be used as a tool to hide behind it and use your partner. Be honest to yourself and think about the other person who your going to hurt in the long run. Not only am i speaking in terms of the women/men who went through hardship but from my friend's experience as well, it sucks and it hurts.
  • 1d2n's avatar 1d2n wrote:

    2009-03-13 12:07 AM

    Men/Women who are gay should not hide their sexual identity, even if society has it's ignorant views. They should be at least honest about who they are, instead of living an undercover life. Like many of the women above mentioned about husbands who hid from them for 10-20 years, imagine what emotional torment they must have gone through after they found out.Yes I can understand when gay men or women say that society won't accept them, we live in an oppressive society, but the fact that honesty and trust plays a huge part in a relationship. It shouldn't be used as a tool to hide behind it and USE your partner. Be honest to yourself and think about the other person who your going to hurt in the long run. Not only am i speaking in terms of the women/men who went through hardship but from my friend's experience as well, it sucks and it hurts.
  • The Sovereign's avatar The Sovereign wrote:

    2009-03-13 12:26 AM

    This is something I had to respond to: It's easy to be a bitter betty here. BUT there is always 2sides: I'm a gay man, 35 years old now. I was married to a lovely young girl. We were married for 3 years, and we met and started dating when I was about 20. THIS is NOT a cut and dry/black and white situation. My Marriage and probably those other men that "Came out" in those situations, those marriages were NOT a LIE, nor was Mine. I had a genuine and good life with her and Loved her very much. Further, There are NO words in any language to articulate how terrible this is, but terrible for both the Wife AND the Husband. It is the most stressful thing to go through, for both people. I wanted desperately not to be Gay and "be like everyone else"(straight). IF there was a pill that could make be straight I would Take it. But this wasn't a choice. Having said that, I Loved my Wife and took our marriage vows seriously, and when we made Love I didn't think of Men at all. Do you think it's easy for a man to "deal" with this? How does one deal with this when they have this deep sexual identity conflict/issue deep down in their Heart. to be continued.....
  • The Sovereign's avatar The Sovereign wrote:

    2009-03-13 12:26 AM

    Continue - Easier said then Done as far as communicating this to your Wife !! When I was "Outed"..by my employer no less, to my wife, my daughter was 9 months old at the time. My ex wife and I are divorced now and admit the first couple years were the hardest. But our focus was this beautiful little girl. BUT my ex, she is now very happily re-married to a super guy. Whom I get along very well with. My ex wife and I are very very good friends. We both could even consider ourselves Best Friends. I stay over at their home at Christmas and celebrate many things together during the year. It's taken A LOT of Work to get to this point. I have been more involved in my daughters life then had I been still married. I'm involved with her schooling,sports, play dates, hang out with the other mothers and their kids...etc..etc.....My little girl has the best of both worlds considering this situation. People forget in these situations, The children are the most important. That will never change with me. I know I'm a good father, not perfect, but I do my absolute best to do everything I can to make her life the best it can possibly be. It's easy to hate, but Life is soo short, and with hatred and bitterness, No One wins.
  • The Sovereign's avatar The Sovereign wrote:

    2009-03-13 12:53 AM

    By the way Jay604..... Very Well Said indeed.
  • Alwayswonder's avatar Alwayswonder wrote:

    2009-03-13 1:02 AM

    This is all shocking discussion! You guys talking about GOD? Why Sadom and Homora came to the end, Atlantida? Our moral is becoming so low, we are accepting a real animal's behaviour and trying to convince all society that this is OK. "We have to live our life fully and not to pretend beeing what we are not". We are HUMAN BEINGS. And after having a family and children we have responsability to raise it and give all the best we can to them. This "husband" obviously was thinking just about his "base desires", just as an animal.(Sex, sex and more sex, and something different). There is no even question about respect (or love) to his wife. He was suffering all this years hiding... whatsoever? In our country we have TOO much liberty. This is why in situation like this wife and 4 children are suffering, not him. And we afraid to touch a core of the real problem. Just going aroud circle, making a huge polemic and keeping all us busy comforting each other. "Oh, it's OK we are all in the same.., knowing this you can feel better". It is not normal at all what's happening and wife (and 4 harmed children) can find a strength within herself to live life further without blaming herself what she did wrong. Actually nothing wrong but you loved him and tried to keep family together like most good (probably I can say old-fashioned) women would do.
  • Alwayswonder's avatar Alwayswonder wrote:

    2009-03-13 1:21 AM

    Yes Striped_Fox, we can turn this planet around and become functional international community, but not if we are continue to go by this way.
  • Alwayswonder's avatar Alwayswonder wrote:

    2009-03-13 1:23 AM

    Jzarsky you are soo right!!!
  • hellokitty's avatar hellokitty wrote:

    2009-03-13 1:24 AM

    Everyone comes from different walks of life, with different views and perspectives, and most importantly, different environment and surroundings.....we are entitled to make our own choices! But we must consider how far we will take it and to what degree.....and if you are accepting responsibilities for your choices, than you are on the right path to a brighter future and last but not least...we must treat others the way we want to be treated.
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-13 2:51 AM

    To Jzarsky: You amaze me. Even in this 21st century, with all the scientific data available, you want to portray homosexuality as a disease and blame politicians for supporting the idea of gay marriage/unions to help us "cover up our lies". Being "gay" is not a disease; we can't take a pill and cure it. And, because gay relationships were not (and from many of the posts on here still aren't) accepted, many men were placed in untenable situations. I cannot condone what many of us did to the women that we love (and yes, for many, many of us we did and do love our spouses/ex-spouses) but neither can I accept the ignorance shown in many of these posts. It's statements such as yours that will perpetuate these tragedies.
  • Mizz Xplicit's avatar Mizz Xplicit wrote:

    2009-03-13 5:38 AM

    My heart goes out to the woman..the children and their family..no sympathy or respect towards the man..none what-so-ever!
  • The Sovereign's avatar The Sovereign wrote:

    2009-03-13 9:30 AM

    Mizz Xplicit. WOW....I hope you don't have children or a family. I can see the negativity you would be poising your family with, and a lack of tolerance, not very compassionate or kindness from where I'm sitting. You sound bitter and angry. You need to think out side the box and perhaps, educate yourself.
  • canuckguy's avatar canuckguy wrote:

    2009-03-13 10:44 AM

    Taconicbear: Thank you for sharing your experiences. I, too, am part of a support group for men struggling with their sexuality and it's impact on the people they love. While many men have been fortunate to have spouses, children and extended families that, despite their personal hurt, have opened their hearts and minds and accepted their reality, many more have lost everything on coming out, spiralling them into the deepest of depressions. It is only by bringing all of this out in the open that we can hope to educate generally and gain acknowledgement of the issues. By doing so, hopefully we can work together to decrease the probability that these tragedies will continue. Thankfullly society has changed somewhat since you and I were young men in the 60's.
  • twb07's avatar twb07 wrote:

    2009-03-13 12:58 PM

    Part 1 - I am a 42 year old gay man who was married for 14 years and had two wonderful children. I was born and raised in a family where being gay was not acceptable to my entire large family and my entire large church group. I was taught that it was wrong, was a sin, and that gay people were pedifiles and mentally ill - that is a lot for a young person to handle. I strongly believe that common sence is based on your life experience. So with little life experience at such a young age I decided I had to be normal because that was my life experience. Even as a young adult I did not have enough life experience to teach me that I would be normal and not gay. So I went about my life as a normal straight man. I went to college, got a good job, dated women, and eventually married. I never once had a gay experience or an affair on my wife and besides hiding who I was from absolutley everybody I was a man of morales, integrity and honesty. As I grew older and wiser, and a valued member of society, I began to realize that I thought more and more about who I really was and could only continue to supress those thoughts as I had made a committment and was dedicated to being a good husband, father, provider, and community member. I was successful at all of the above. With getting older came more life experience and more and more I thought about being gay and suppressed it. I made a conscious decision to never experience gay life and remain with my wife until death do us part.
  • twb07's avatar twb07 wrote:

    2009-03-13 12:59 PM

    Part 2 - I guess my wife with age and life experience became more and more aware that our life was perfect except for the sexual part. My wife finally confronted me about my lack of sexual desire and had enough life experience and common sence to realize that maybe I was gay. So she told me she wanted me to be honest to her and to myself as she felt I was a wonderful person who trully deserved to be myself and be happy. It was then that I finally admitted who I was. Who I had worked my whole life not to be. Long story short we are now getting a divorce and moving on with our lives. The sad thing is that even thought I am older and my common sence is so much more now than when I was a teenager - society itself still has not grown enough to allow everybody to be themselves. We have gottn better as a society but still have a long way to go. My hope is that everyone reading this will start to have a better understanding as to why gay people can not be themselves completly. My common sence is definately grown and is much more accepting of many things in life - let hope society continues to grow with tolerance and acceptance of everyone no matter of colour, religion, sexual orientation and any other physical or mental issue that people have.
  • iokie's avatar iokie wrote:

    2009-03-13 1:37 PM

    twb07 - thanks for your story, your honesty and your integrity. Your ex wife was luckier than many women with straight husbands.
  • init4luv's avatar init4luv wrote:

    2009-03-13 4:03 PM

    Part 1 - My husband & I opened our marriage 2 years after 12 years of struggling in the bedroom. I thought almost from the beginning of our relationship that there was something not right in the intimacy department but figured that he was just not as experienced as me and that it would get better with time. He finally admitted he suffered with ED and we discussed treatment options which he had never ended up using. Unfortunately by this time it didn't matter, I had fallen head over heals in love with him.It's not that we were never intimate it just didn't happen very often. We did manage to bring 2 beautiful children to our union though. After 9 years together I started to get very ansy and I knew that something would have to change or I was going to do something I would regret so I started investigating open marriages. He was a bit surprised by my honesty about opening our marriage or me having an affair and agreed to try it. This discussion took place over a weekend that our children were away. I thought everything was going great until I came up behind him while he was on the computer. To my absolute shock and horror he was chatting on a dating site with a man who was offering to do very explicit sexual things to him. I felt instantly sick.
  • init4luv's avatar init4luv wrote:

    2009-03-13 4:27 PM

    Part 2 - He did explain that he was bi and not gay and I believed him. We have both played alone and together now for almost 2 years and have just recently found one person who we both share alone and together (he is bi too). I must say here that I love my husband and when I said "for better and for worse" that is what I meant. We have an amazingly unique realtionship that most people would not understand and I'm not looking or asking for approval.
  • init4luv's avatar init4luv wrote:

    2009-03-13 4:37 PM

    Part 3 - I think that there has been enough judgement on this discussion page already. I did not see my husband as having lied to me for "all those years" as him as being honest with himself and me and for that I was both proud and honoured that he felt comfortable enough to trust me with what must have been his deepest and darkest secret. I know that it was the hardest thing he has ever had to in his life and I'm glad that he he chose me to tell it to. I am not sure that I would have been able to do it and I don't think anyone on this site would have either. So don't judge those who have because until you have been in the same situation where you have to tell the one that you love that you're gay or bi you won't know how you will handle it. My husband and I love our life and wouldn't change it for the world. It has all the spice it did the day we met...how many people can say that?
  • Carter's avatar Carter wrote:

    2009-03-13 7:42 PM

    Part 1 My wife and I write about our mixed orientation marriage on our blog: http://mixedorientationmarriage.blogspot.com/ I had a friend recently ask me how I can be gay in a mixed orientation marriage. I responded by saying that I am gay all the time - it is part of my personality and make up. It is a defining characteristic. True, I don't sleep with men, but this doesn't alter the fact that I am what I am. My dilemma is that I want to be a good example to living an authentic life. How can I say to the gay youth that I understand? And, I have to answer myself that I cannot know what he feels! My path differs so significantly from what I would emphatically recommend to any person discovering his or her sexuality - I would recommend to be true to that and live that life. And so the dilemma because I am true my personal morals and convictions. I love my wife and the family that we have made. I enjoy waking up beside her, having the kids jump in bed and snuggle, and coming home to them at the end of the day. I have in my possession a great gift, a pearl of great price in religious terms, and recognize what I have.
  • Carter's avatar Carter wrote:

    2009-03-13 7:43 PM

    Part 2: I don't know what the future will bring, but the present is miraculous. I try to live each day as today because tomorrow is such an unknown. So, I live today and am happy. I believe that I will be happy tomorrow. I believe that I will be happy 10 years from now even though I don't know what life will bring when I am 41 with a child graduating from high school and one close behind. If there is one things we can all learn from mixed orientation marriages it is this: life is not black and white, cut and dry. Life is what you make it.
  • LivingMyTruth's avatar LivingMyTruth wrote:

    2009-03-15 10:58 AM

    Part One: I was like that man described in the article. When I married in 1983 at 25 I was struggling with a sexuality that was taboo, even considered evil. I told my now ex-wife the night of our engagement that I had slept with men, but I didn't want that. Her religious beliefs said homosexuality is a sin, sin is a choice, so I could choose not to sin. OMG, that was a revelation to a man who had only limited religious education. I loved the woman I was successfully sleeping with even more because she was going to "save" me. I had never loved any of the men I had slept with. I didn't know what love was suppose to feel like. At least not that passionate love for a spouse that should exist between husband and wife. I was young and mistook love of friend, mentor and savior for passion. Being that young, I had no problems performing. Heck, a cool breeze could get aroused back then. But age, experience and an emptiness that begins to echo every mundane event in a married couples life begins to take its toll. Ten years into our marriage, I knew she had not saved me from the real me. I loved her, but I wasn't in love with her.
  • LivingMyTruth's avatar LivingMyTruth wrote:

    2009-03-15 11:00 AM

    Part Two: Our sex life came to an abrupt end as I moved to the couch after a fight and our two kids moved into our bed with her. I threw myself into work and politics and she filled her time with friends. There were many nights I wanted to go to her, lay next to her and feel the security she had given me in the beginning of our marriage. That was selfish, so I never did. There were times I wanted to tell her what was wrong, but I couldn't. I feared hurting her worse than I was by being distant. How could I hurt my kids, my friends and our families? So I endured and dragged her along with me. That went on for six years and not once in that entire time did we kiss, touch or make love. Her weight had gone up and one day she asked me, "Why don't we make love anymore." Like the coward I was, I blamed it on her weight. Just lose some weight and it will be ok, I said. For months she worked hard and lost weight and it still wasn't ok. I found another reason to stay on the couch and remain distant. I know our children suffered as much as she and I were suffering. We may never know the pain our abnormal relationship caused our children or what it has done to them. In March 1996 she and I sat down and had a talk. I still wasn't honest, but I believed in my ability to get'er done and once again, she offered me something I wanted, a soft place to land or hide from the horrible conflict and truth inside me.
  • LivingMyTruth's avatar LivingMyTruth wrote:

    2009-03-15 11:26 AM

    Part three: For three months we were the model couple. Everyone who knew us had become use to us being apart, so being together was a shock for them. Some of our exclusive friends had never met our spouse. One of my coworkers, whom I had a deep crush on, said, "I thought you were lying about having a wife." But people could see we were in love. They could see what I wanted them to see. But for me, it was mechanical. The love I felt for my friend was suppressed by the pain of lonliness. Even my friends saw that I was crashing. I know she was in pain too, because you can't be intimate with someone and not feel it. I was shocked I still had it in me to make love to her. Still no problems performing!
  • LivingMyTruth's avatar LivingMyTruth wrote:

    2009-03-15 11:28 AM

    Part four: Was I really gay? I realized it wasn't about the sex. While I missed sex with a man, what I was really missing was that passion between two people in love. What I felt for her wasn't that kind of love. When I realized that I knew what I had deprived her of knowing and it allowed me make that decision. I was not only a sexual gay man, I was an emotional gay man. I needed both. In December of 1997 we went on a date to watch the movie "Titanic." What a romantic movie. We both cried, held hands and leaned against each other. But I wasn't crying over our crumbling marriage. I was crying because I wanted a man to love me the way Leo was loving Kate on the silver screen! I got home that night and like the man in the story, I sat down on the bed with my wife and said, "I need your help." That moment exploded the distorted lives we had both built. But since that time she has remarried a man who treats her like the queen she is and deserves. Alas for me, I am still stuggling, after ten years, to find a man who can love me in the way I want and need to be loved. I just turned 50 and I'm still hopeful I'll meet Mr. Right just like she has. As for my kids, my daughter is married to a wonderful man and she seems very happy. My relationship with her was strained and distant, but I did walk her down aisle. My son is in a relationship with a beautiful woman and they are expecting their first child. Life goes on.
  • nyckelpiga's avatar nyckelpiga wrote:

    2009-03-15 1:15 PM

    I, too am married to a man who refuses to admit he is gay. We have been married for seven years and I can count how many times we have had sex. I am on my way out, planning to return to school, and am separated. One poster asked how does a woman recover her sense of attractiveness after such an incident? For me, I have been having an affair with a wonderful man for the past year. At first I felt guilty, but now I realize that this affair has been the best thing to ever happen to me. It gave me back my sense of womanhood, and made me feel attractive. I no longer feel any guilt as this is the right thing for me to do right now.
  • janicestrand's avatar janicestrand wrote:

    2009-03-15 2:16 PM

    Thank you Gerty for sharing your story. I identify with everything you wrote - the details may have been different but the emotions are exactly the same. My ex-husband came out to me after 29 years of marriage. After the first 8 years, our marriage went downhill. He believes the marriage was good and I suppose it was from his point of view: I put no pressure on him and he was able to convince himself that he was straight. Until he fell in love with another man. This happened in 2001, the same year my mother died - what a terrible year that was for so many people! He decided that he would tell me the truth by the end of the year but I have my doubts about that. I had to confront him at the end of September and at least he had the decency to admit the truth. No doubt some gay men will read this and think that I sound bitter. Nothing could be further from the truth. If relating the truth from my perspective equates to bitterness, then maybe these people need to read their dictionary. I live in the UK and I was troubled by the complete lack of support services from straight partners over here. I looked at the services offered to gay men and I actually felt envious; I looked at the services available to straight partners in the USA, and again I felt envious. I eventually become sick of feeling envious and set-up Straight Partners Anonymous. Please visit www.straightpartnersanonymous.co.uk.
  • Monika's avatar Monika wrote:

    2009-03-16 11:05 AM

    I have been married to a gay man for 18 years although he will not admit it. I believe he married me to have children and to hide his secret. I was miserable and lonely for so many years and he always made me feel like he did not want sex because of my weight. I have never worn above a size 4. I have enough circumstancial evidence to believe he is gay. To all you women who have had your husband admit to you they are gay, count your blessings...I may never get the closure I need without the proof. We have three children and I feel so deceived and used. IT was a lie before I ever even married him as he also tricked me into signing a prenup that he told me would be void once we had children. I never was given a copy of it and now that i have asked for a separation, I have learned that the prenup says something entirely different. Yes, I trusted the man I was about to marry. So, I have been deceived in more ways than one. I will get through this because of my relationship with God.
  • Monika's avatar Monika wrote:

    2009-03-16 11:20 AM

    I talked to my husband's first wife and she said he never wanted sex with her either and she was a model and a size 2. They were 28 years old when they married. She said he tried to get her to sign a prenup the night of their rehearsal dinner but her mom told him her daughter would not sign one. I learned that my husband wanted to call off the wedding the night before but his brother talked him out of it. His first wife only stayed a little over a year. She believes he is gay, too and said her gay guy friends at the time tried to tell her not to marry him. I only found "straight" porn on his computer which is confusing although I have learned that some gay men prefer straight porn and like to fantasize about the men and pretend they are the woman. All I know, is this man had one excuse after the other for not engaging in sex and when he did, it was so mechanical. He never wanted to kiss me, but would only "peck" my lips. It was awful, awful.
  • Monika's avatar Monika wrote:

    2009-03-16 12:03 PM

    I also might add that my husband does not want the divorce. He tried for months to change my mind about leaving which I don't understand why he would want to hang on to me when he obviously is struggling with his own issues and was under constant pressure from me to have sex...one would think that this would be his easy way out! To think that he would continue to steal my life from me for his own selfish reasons! What do you readers think of all this. I have written three notes from "Monika!"
  • Monika's avatar Monika wrote:

    2009-03-16 12:06 PM

    Why would my husband try and get me to stay? He does not want the divorce and told me so. Yet, one would think this is his easy way out and free from the constant pressure to "perform." What do you readers think?
  • Monika's avatar Monika wrote:

    2009-03-17 2:21 PM

    Is anyone out there?
  • Meret's avatar Meret wrote:

    2009-03-19 12:30 AM

    He knew he was gay and he married her anyway. He wasted decades of her life until he decided he would do as he pleased and had the nerve to tell her about how happy he was to have cheated on her and betrayed their family. This man was selfish, narcissistic, abusive, dishonest, and cruel. He is neither a victim nor a hero. He is a coward. Men who are gay should not marry women to save them. That is God's job. Accept yourself and leave these women alone so they can find a man who will love them with authenticity. Men who do not spend their days and nights finding other men to sleep with. It is disgraceful how they play the victim and forget that maybe those children they claim to love do not want a gay father. Nor do those grandchildren want a gay grandfather. And no little girl dreams of one day marrying a man who prefers men. Get over yourselves, man up, and live out loud, gay and proud!
  • Meret's avatar Meret wrote:

    2009-03-19 12:35 AM

    Monika: He is using you as a human shield so he can continue to delude himself. Even if he isn't gay, you deserve a man who cannot wait to be with you sexually. You deserve love on your own terms and he deserves to have a life that does not involve denial and also includes love.
  • Freakishgibbon's avatar Freakishgibbon wrote:

    2009-03-20 2:20 PM

    Personally I think everyone is bi. Every straight guy can easily enjoy other guys if they just get over a few society made concepts of it being wrong and disgusting and I have never met a gay guy who wasn't attracted to girls deep down. The reason I think many of these men are "coming out" at that stage in their lives is because it's the most convinient and optimal approach to having as much sex with as many sexually attractive people as possible. They stayed with women through their good looking prime when they can keep em. Around 40 when women generally loose their sexual attraction and it's almost immpossible to score a younger female without being her "sugar daddy"... they decide to go for guys... a large majority of which are highly premiscous. Very easy for a 40-60ish men to score a late teen - early twenty guy.
  • Piglet the rebel's avatar Piglet the rebel wrote:

    2009-03-20 3:13 PM

    It is important to question things and when you are not allowed to ask questions it means there are alot of questions to ask because the truth is uncomfortable and can't be dismissed. It seems that sex has become more of an addiction than a way to interconnect with someone on an emotional level. You can't ask questions or contradict anything about the gay lifestyle or you are labeled. Well I was open minded but it seems if you take out the sex from relationships whatever is left is what is valid and substantial. Take sex out of the equation in a gay relationship and most if not all would fall apart. Call me what you will but I have seen it all. If you can't buy in don't lead anyone along. This man is immature. Eventually friends we have to pay the piper for how we mislead others. If more gay men and lesbians would take a mature approach, stop messing up the lives of others and confront their past issues of abuse, neglect, abandonment of parents etc... which is profoundly present within the lives of gay people, they may find they aren't gay. If a person is gay it means they would stay with someone of the same sex in a manogomous way if they had sex with them or not. Love requires maturity end of story. Whatever realm we are in, be honest about that.
  • Meret's avatar Meret wrote:

    2009-03-20 7:25 PM

    Thank you Piglet the Rebel. The voice of reason. No one is condemning sexual preference. We are condemning cold calculated manipulation for personal gain. It ruined the world economy and it ruins lives. People like her husband are weapons of mass destruction.
  • ImagoDess's avatar ImagoDess wrote:

    2009-03-21 1:05 PM

    i feel sad that so many people feel betrayed and hurt. It is a sad commentary on our world that this has touched so many people negatively. Perhaps if there was not such a stigma attached to being gay, if we as people accepted ourselves and others as they are. I feel sad for those who are so afraid of being honest that they get themselves into situations where there will be pain. Lying is never a good thing, even to protect people we love. All of you affected by this, dont blame yourselves and dont take on the hurt for yourselves. Compassion will help heal your pain. we are all entitled to honesty, and to be honest with ourselves is a very difficult thing to do. You did not cause the "gayness" and dont accept the idea that it was your fault. You are strong and special and your sense of worth should not be tied to anothers identity. Fear rules so many aspects of our lives and we have to try to banish it daily, if only for our own preservation. Be strong, this cannot hurt you if you dont let it. Rise above!!!!
  • Meret's avatar Meret wrote:

    2009-03-23 5:06 PM

    No one will acknowledge us until we acknowledge ourselves. No one will embrace us until we embrace ourselves. It is a vain and fruitless task to seek approval in the eyes of others. Even if society never removes the stigma, people must hold their heads up high and look life square in the eye and demand their place in the world. not ask for permission to exist. Then and only then will this never happen.
  • force's avatar force wrote:

    2009-03-24 9:21 PM

    to CONFUSEDMOM we should exchange emails. all the best.
  • amotherfirst's avatar amotherfirst wrote:

    2009-04-05 9:37 AM

    First I would like to say that if you have never been married to a person who turned out to be guy after in my case 17 years. You have no right yes I said NO RIGHT to say anything about how we feel or our children feel. You have not lived or given yourself had children(who now you have to explain why dad likes men, or will I become gay,how do I tell my friends, or why does dad not tell me that he is guy) I could go on and on. My biggest beef is with all you bleeding hearts who say the poor guy has been hiding with in himself because of how the "world" thinks. Him lying to us all as to why his is late, or where has he been. He was only thinking of himself oh he needed to be with a nother gay man like always putting himself before his family that he made. Like so many that I have read I put in 17 years planning a future with this man who to me is a con artist and should be arrested for his crime. Now I have to clean up his mess take care of our children wipe the tears do the explaining all the while he is finding himself and moving in with another man. Yes the rest of HIS life will be wonderful and my life starts all over. Can I trust again not so much I had no idea for many years.
  • amotherfirst's avatar amotherfirst wrote:

    2009-04-05 9:37 AM

    .....Yes later on I did wonder at times but I always seem to think I was wrong and even in the end, when I finally confronted him he yelled screamed blamed me said i had no right to ask him or interfer with anything he did outside of our home. Let me tell you he could not even give me that. Now yes I will carry on but it was wrong and no one has the right to say the poor gay guy he had a choice not to marry he never gave me that choice.
  • kwitshadie's avatar kwitshadie wrote:

    2009-04-15 4:37 PM

    For those of us who don't have dozens of dearest friends showing up to assauge our grief and devastation with flowers and ice cream and other demonstrations of undying support, please know that on top of everything else you have to deal with you don't need to make this a popularity contest. You WILL be happy again. A husband's sexual identity problems and the addictions he's likely using to cope with them can leave you completely isolated with your anxiety attacks, chronic intractible pain, and clinical depression. Other people don't have the answers. Read everything you can get your hands on so that you can understand what happened to you and you can close the book and leave it behind you and never go there again. Avail yourself of whatever professional help that is available to you through charities or your local health board. Learn to enjoy your own company, to look after yourself, to keep company only with healthy people, to have fun again, and to tell the critical voices in your head to shut up. Time really does heal all.
  • Jon_b81's avatar Jon_b81 wrote:

    2009-05-12 3:53 PM

    Well I’m attracted to the same sex but I realize where those feelings come from and please it is not a genetic thing it is a physiological thing I am a Christian and thank God for turning a bad situation into a blessing I think it is disgusting how the "gay" lifestyle is peddled as normal in the media I struggled with my self for years but have but I came to an understanding ages ago. I had a girlfriend for 5 years and we were engaged I finally broke it off because I could not live with the guilt anymore of not lying to her but of depriving her of a normal functioning relationship. I did love her and that is why I had to let her go. But life goes on I will probably never marry or never get to raise children but like someone else said there are worse things in life but the point I am trying to make is that societies views on homosexuality are totally flawed homosexuality should be treated as any other addictive behavior. Look at it like this if it was a genetic thing then if one identical twin is gay logic will say well then so is the other!! And we know this not to be true It’s a reaction to an action or lack there of during childhood a boys broken relationship with his father a mother over bonding with her son!! Its as logical as that blaming genetics is a ignorant mans excuse
  • Jon_b81's avatar Jon_b81 wrote:

    2009-05-12 3:53 PM

    Many uninformed people take a simplistic view of behavioral genetics: they believe that one gene controls and determines a specific behavior. This is true for a very few, abnormal physical conditions including Huntington’s disease, cystic fibrosis, PKU, and achondroplasia (Dwarfism). This fact has led some to believe that there is an alcoholic gene, a manic-depression gene, or a gay gene. However, “Genes do not act as master puppeteers within us. They are chemical structures that control the production of proteins; thereby indirectly affecting behavior... Genes do not determine one’s destiny. So the reason for all this pain is simply because we as a society have been denied the proper information about this condition!! Do you really believe everything the newspapers say?? He who controls information controls the masses views!!! To the woman who was hurt blame your husband for not being truthful but also blame the media and the gay rights groups for blocking the information that could have saved you all the heartache homosexuality needs to be treated like any other behavioral disorder. There is such a thing as normal and my heart and prayers go out to all gay men in or out of the closet.
  • Jon_b81's avatar Jon_b81 wrote:

    2009-05-12 3:59 PM

    just like people are rooting for alcoholics to get better so should they be supporting the masses of gay people who are struggling with unwanted gay feelings!!! its not society making you feel the guilt of being gay its your God given conscience.
  • JulesB's avatar JulesB wrote:

    2009-05-29 9:38 AM

    There are so many PEOPLE, men and women, who have desires to experience sexual activities with other Men and Women. Bisexuality needs to be accepted as our animal instincts of being sharing affection with others is being quashed by phobic people. It is mainstream for women to be making love with other women, and now it should be mainstream and accepted for men to be affectionate with men. It should be mainstream for a male/female couple to be affectionate with another male/female or male/male or female/female couple. What is worse? People killing each other out of hatred OR people being affectionate with others with the rewards of mutual gratification. I love my husband, and we love our friends in ways most people think are perverse. There is less odds that our relationship will degrade because we are VERY honest with each other and our human nature of sharing intimacies with other humans is being satisfied. The more you bottle up natural human instincts, the greater the chances that the outcome will have ill effects. Bisensuality, not bisexuality, is the new bond between humans.
  • luvambrosia's avatar luvambrosia wrote:

    2009-06-11 12:05 PM

    Hi Gerty, As we can see there are many people out there in pain over this type of betrayel. I think there should be a 12 step program for people like us where we can gather together and eat stale donuts and drink nasty coffee. We can stand up and tell our stories "Hi, my name is Ambrosia and I was married to a sexualy confued man!" I know just talking about it helps me. Keep talking about it let out your frustrations.....thank God for close friends you can lean on.
  • Amerand's avatar Amerand wrote:

    2009-09-22 11:51 AM

    I see a lot of angry comments from women here. I hope these same women raise their children in a way as to prevent them from doing this hurt to other women. Throughout the comments you see a theme around the men not wanting to face up to their families. I am in no means 'blaming the mother' but the mom is an integral part of any family. Perhaps raising boys (and girls) to believe that what ever they are they will be loved and supported will help prevent this hurt from happening to other spouses.
  • lmgj's avatar lmgj wrote:

    2009-11-23 5:57 PM

    All I want to know as a woman who has been married for 22 years and just found out that her husband is gay.. Is How do I help my children through this?? How do we tell them? Where does someone start. And yes I am angry, but my number 1 Priority is my family.
  • ricarceh's avatar ricarceh wrote:

    2009-12-08 5:30 PM

    Listen, I'm a gay man, but I completely accept that some gay men like some straight men are pedophiles, and I can tell you this from personal experience, stop all the PC crap please. And please be careful with whoever you associate with.
  • ricarceh's avatar ricarceh wrote:

    2009-12-08 5:31 PM

    Listen, I'm a gay man completely out and have been out since I was 15 years old, have had wonderful loving relationships and I am a law abiding citizen, but I completely accept that some gay men (like some straight men) are pedophiles, and I can tell you this from personal experience, stop all the PC crap please. And please be careful with whoever you associate with. Yes, gay men should be accepted in society, but it doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye just because of political correctness to the fact that yes, some gay men are pedophiles. Lou Perlman (former manager of NSync)?
  • ricarceh's avatar ricarceh wrote:

    2009-12-08 5:44 PM

    And listen, all PC aside, a lot of gay men who are married to women are not only in complete self-denial, which is a psychological condition. A lot of gay men who are married go to parks and they don't carry condoms because they don't want anyone, especially their wives, to know they are having extramarital sex, and they have unprotected sex with other closeted men, and then they go home and they have sex with their wives to fulfill their duties (while fantasizing in their head about men to keep up their erections). I'm sorry, I'm happy as a gay man and I also don't like stereotypes, but it's quite another thing to be so defensive that you will let unknowing wives be infected with STDs and AIDS, and like most stereotypes, there's at least a little bit of truth to them, and unfortunately, this one has truth in it.
  • ricarceh's avatar ricarceh wrote:

    2009-12-08 5:44 PM

    A lot of gay men are so emotionally and psychologically unstable, and at times uneducated, they will NOT use condoms to have sex with other men, they're lying to themselves, they'll have sex with men, and then block it as hard as they can out of their minds afterwards when they go home to their wives, how can you expect emotionally unstable men to always also be thinking about safe sex? There are a lot of men that do, but a lot of men don't. Especially among immigrant groups in the US, if they came from a country that didn't teach safe sex education as they do in the US. Please think about these things seriously. Being politically correct should not restrict you from also being truthful and saving people's lives.
  • mary-anne's avatar mary-anne wrote:

    2010-01-28 9:10 AM

    wow I read the artical and it broke my heart to read..i caought my husband on a chat site called **squirt** mans gay site in the toronto area i live in Brampton and when i read the site i noticed most of the men are Married (poor unexpecting wives) I was filled with lots of emotion , anger , rage , hurt, etc. I want my marriage to work but i cant swallow this to well. He swears he loves me and will never do anything like this again. He will not risk us, well why rick us in the first place?? Do you think he can stay true or do you think when things settle he will do this again.. I love my husband and want it to work!! but im unsure if this is really what he wants too,,,he says he does , do i belive him?? should i stay or should i move forward and get on with my life..im 40 and unsure m-a
  • Jyli's avatar Jyli wrote:

    2010-04-08 9:10 AM

    I'm a granny and the more I read about male/female relationships, the more strongly I perceive that marriage has come to be passe. It seems to me that monogomy is not a popular pastime and that instinctively, it conflicts with countless people's heart's desires, no matter what one's persuasion. People are constantly attempting to invent ways to avoid or get around being so! There are so many aspects of sexuality and, apparently, "branches" therein. I believe women to be far more marriage-oriented than men, despite the fact that tradition often ends up to be boring, unfulfilling, a source of constant complaint and disappointment. I do not, necessarily, believe that people, in general, are meant to be monogamous. Certainly, the majority of people are not, so I have learned, first-hand, over my sixty-odd years. Why, therefore, complicate matters with marriage, a tradition which, apparently, so often fails to work well, or at all, in our ever-changing society, today? I suspect relationships and participants would do better if legally renewable, annually, or whatever term suits the arrangers. This would definitely preclude, or at least serve to dampen, misunderstandings and endless columns such as this!
  • aehren's avatar aehren wrote:

    2010-05-02 8:06 PM

    What an unbelievably painful journey. The part I find the most human is your revelation of the loneliness that you felt when your husband related the new community he found. One of the central bonds of marriage is that the couple is the centre of the world to each other. To know that he would leave you for this new family must have been terrible. Despite the differences in the details of our situations, I felt the same when my marriage ended. You have written with such clarity and humanity about a very universal yet deeply personal event.
  • bi-gentleman's avatar bi-gentleman wrote:

    2010-08-27 12:10 PM

    I am a bi married man and we have chosen to remain married. You may read my blog at:http://bimarriedandhonest.blogspot.com/ If you are needing someone on this side of the desk to talk to... feel free to email me and I will answer as best I can.
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